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World Opinion on the result of 2004 election

  1. Oct 31, 2004 #1
    It seems that while many people in the world, are opposed to President Bush and his policies, most people have been able to keep their feeling towards the American admin and the American people separate. This could be because most non-Americans believe that Americans just didn't know what they were getting when they voted Bush in the first time.

    However, if Americans are to vote Bush again, people in the world may be more likely to hold the American people responsible for Bush being in office. What I'm getting at is, does anyone believe that a Bush re-election will lead to more anti-Americanism among moderate citizens of the world.

    To this day, I can still say that I've never met an American I didn't like (granted I've never personally met any American who claims to support Bush, or to have voted for him the first time around). I doubt that will change whatever the outcome of this election, but I'm sure that if Bush wins I'll find myself somewhat disappointed by my southerly neighbors.

    One thing I'd really like to know is, what do Americans see in Bush that the rest of the world doesn't? Do Americans like his cowboy attitude? His simplistic reasoning ability?

    Any responses are greatly appreciated! Thanks!
     
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  3. Oct 31, 2004 #2
    As it is I am already very upset that half of voters think they will be voting for GWB. I will be mad for a while if he wins, which I think is likely given the latest polls, and then feel sorry for both the Amercians and us for a continuation of his stupid senseless policies. I have been thinking about what the Amercians see in him as well and can only say they must be too caught up with the security issue to lose their common sense and allow themselves to be blinded about the economic issues. My perception of Americans will definitely depend on who they will be voting for or have voted for. To be quite honest I think I will turn my nose up at anyone going for him, for a while that is.
     
  4. Oct 31, 2004 #3
    I think it could almost be stated as fact that anti-americanism will increase if GWB is rel-elected. As a Canadian I'm disappointed in those who vote for Bush. While Kerry isn't a political mastermind, he is much better than Bush. Whether I think people are people are generally semi-intelligent is going to be greatly affected by the result of the American election.
     
  5. Oct 31, 2004 #4

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    A lot of US citizens do not choose to closely follow political issues. The Republican party is better at conveying memes to this group than the Democratic party is. So many of them believe falsehoods, such as that Bush is "strong" on terrorism and Kerry is "weak" on terrorism. Hunters, an important bloc in many states, have been led to believe that Kerry is "anti-gun", although he made a strong statement against the Brady bill and for broad interpretation of the Second Amendment in the first debate, and has been at pains to be shown hunting at least twice during the campaign.

    Political claques can argue endlessly, but it is the ability to reach the unpolitical that sways elections, I think in all countries.
     
  6. Oct 31, 2004 #5

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    Yeah (this coming from Europe) ... many here assumed Kerry would win by a clear margin, and now when its as tight as it is ... makes people puzzled and think whether the US people actually think as GWB does. It will have a marketable effect.
     
  7. Oct 31, 2004 #6
    For Europe:
    The EU Poll of Nov. 2003 said:
    "The Eurobarometer poll, which sparked outrage from Israel, showed that 59 percent of Europeans see Israel as a threat to world peace -- ahead of Iran, North Korea and the US, who were in joint second place on 53 percent.

    If Bush wins that % will raise. Indeed we see Bush already 3 years as a crazy and corrupt cow-boy, but if re-(s)elected most Europeans will generalize that image to all Americans. To us he's the guy which will or might start WWIII.
    Remember he was the first US president who started a war, against the facts on the field. He made from US Soldiers "agressors". That's an image difficult to change.
    But I am sure most Americans don't care what the outside think about them.
     
  8. Oct 31, 2004 #7
    For Middle East :

    We do not see big difference between Bush and Kerry! Both of them want to kill as many people as possible for the security of Israel!!

    Kerry wants to leave Iraq, but he wants to attack Syria and may be Saudi Arabia!!

    Both of them rejected to let the Palestinian to decide their future or to make any pressure on Israel to withdraw from West bank and Gaza! Unfortunately, the only topic they agree is ‘’unlimited support of Israel’’ and destruction of ME nations (400 Millions) to secure the life of 5 millions Jews living in Israel and Palestine!!

    In general, people want Kerry to win because they hate Bush, but our governments (dictators) supporting Bush!!

    The only choice of moderate people in ME who believe in democracy is to be closer to Europe. We know that European have limited power to stop the American aggressive wars in ME, but we sure that USA alone can not fight forever, because this will weaken their economy and let other superpowers (e.g. EU and China) to rise.
     
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  9. Oct 31, 2004 #8
    I dont think Europeans fear WWIII, seeing how they love to spread hatred for Bush. If Bush wins elections and Europeans dont grow over it, itd make me wonder if what they really want isnt a giant war.
     
  10. Oct 31, 2004 #9
    I can't see any logic in your post.

    Can't you look independently and observe what fake and scamming is happening in US? Or are you just blind or ... ?

    I suggest you take distance and analyze the facts.
    Look who lied.
    Look who steals.
    Look who poisons.
    Look who builds WMD.
    Look who denies human rights and cut civil rights.
    Look who doesn't needs facts, but knows.

    And if you can't see it ... Studentx, kneel and pray ... in full awe for the messenger of the vengeance God.
    And accept he's going to get you too (and your money).
     
  11. Oct 31, 2004 #10

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    From the quiet fishpond of Norway:
    Here "everyone" (including myself) is "against" Bush, but we never get information on who this Kerry guy really is :grumpy:.
    Brainwashing works two ways; in Europe, we're almost indoctrinated into believing Republicans to be bad and Democrats to be good.
     
  12. Oct 31, 2004 #11

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    Lol, I'm glad you said it so I don't have to! :wink:
     
  13. Oct 31, 2004 #12

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    Has this been true for a long time or just this election? And is the message that Republicans are bad in general, or mostly that Bush is bad?
     
  14. Oct 31, 2004 #13
    Norway sent troops to Iraq, so brainwashing works there.
    France, Germany and few other nations did not, what's the conclusion?
     
  15. Oct 31, 2004 #14

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    The conclusion is that the Norwegian Government chose to act upon information independent of or despite their preconception of Republicans.

    Nothing more can be concluded and any attempt to derive relativity based on "1+1=2" is clearly overreaching.
     
  16. Oct 31, 2004 #15
    I try look at it objectively. I havent been convinced that Bush purposely lied, that he steals oil and that building tactical nukes is a bad thing. I dont know anything about poisoning, and i kinda agree about the human right thing/guantanamo. Overall he still comes out positive in my book. I dont blame the mess in Iraq on Bush, and i dont blame the anti-US attitude on him either.
     
  17. Oct 31, 2004 #16
    I think it is more correct to say: the Norwegian Government acted upon (intentionally) false information provided by the Bush Administration.
    Also the Polish PM complained about this.
     
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    Thats just not true. I'm all for hating Bush, but still you people need to at leasst learn your history and get your facts straight, something Bush-haters seem pathologically incapable of doing.

    He's not the first US president to start a war.

    The War of 1812 with Great Britain.

    Please examine the Indian Wars of the late 19th century.

    The Spanish-American War which turned the US into a world imperial power for the first time.

    You people need to start getting your facts straight and stop looking like idiots. Its really discrediting to your argument. You talk about Bush supporters believing falsehoods, but here you are spouting just as many plain falsehoods that simply are not true.

    Another example: In another thread Tsunami accuses the Bush admin of trying to stop voters from sueing to enforce their rights. Not completely true. The justice department's memorandums simply state that they can't sue to enforce the recent voter legislation act (name escapes my memory), but does not apply to older voter legislation (14th amendent rights, so on and so forth). That said i still don't like what the admin is doing there. but when you accuse them of something, try getting it right, before making a fool of yourself.
     
  20. Oct 31, 2004 #19

    Biggest load of crap. You should have come to california and seen what complete democratic party rule did to us. The democrats controlled everything in this state, every statewide office, and both houses of the legislature. Its the 5th largest economy in the world here, vs NATIONs (that means a bigger economy than almost all european nations, middle eastern nations, etc.) (13%of US GDP). Its that big. The results of democratic rule:

    $34.6 Billion Deficit (out $1.4 Trillion GDP, that is 2.4%, US deficit is 3.7% of total GDP)

    School spending cuts

    Prison budget increased (largely a raise for prison guards who contributed large amounts to the governor's campaign, so no it wasn't because they needed the moeny to handle more prisoners)

    Governor Davis did not announce the deficit untill after his reelection (mis lead voters)

    Increased unemployment.

    We didn't ahve to worry about outsourcing the governor just let foreign nationals come here and take the jobs for under minimum wage, without companies having to leave.

    He tried to give Driver's Liscence's to said illegal immigrants (that was the one that really finished him off)

    Less than a year after being reelected he was thrown out of office in a recall election and replaced by none other than: Arnold Schwarzenegger (Republican).

    Thrown after less than a year, had a 75% DIS-approval rating.

    Democrats are no better.
     
  21. Nov 1, 2004 #20

    arildno

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    "Biggest load of crap."
    Which simply proves my point:
    We Europeans all too easily assign labels of "good" and "bad" on American parties we don't bother to get solid information on.
     
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