No, but you clearly haven't been paying attention:pattylou said:http://news.ft.com/cms/s/cb0c3b94-ee84-11d9-98e5-00000e2511c8.html
Has hell frozen over?
More http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/06/20010611-2.html [Broken].Our President said:There is a natural greenhouse effect that contributes to warming. Greenhouse gases trap heat, and thus warm the earth because they prevent a significant proportion of infrared radiation from escaping into space. Concentration of greenhouse gases, especially CO2, have increased substantially since the beginning of the industrial revolution. And the National Academy of Sciences indicate that the increase is due in large part to human activity.
Regarding the first sentence from the source:pattylou said:http://news.ft.com/cms/s/cb0c3b94-ee84-11d9-98e5-00000e2511c8.html
Has hell frozen over?
Back in 2002:President George W. Bush yesterday acknowledged more openly than in the past the role of human activity in causing global warming.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/06/03/tech/main510920.shtml(CBS) President Bush dismissed on Tuesday a report put out by his administration warning that human activities are behind climate change that is having significant effects on the environment.
http://whyfiles.org/updates/080global_warm/index.html [Broken]In a striking about-face, the Bush administration has acknowledged that Earth is warming, and that the most likely cause is burning fossil fuels.
http://www.space.com/news/bush_warming_041027.html [Broken]"In my more than three decades in government, I have never seen anything approaching the degree to which information flow from scientists to the public has been screened and controlled as it is now," James E. Hansen told a University of Iowa audience.
Hansen is director of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York and has twice briefed a task force headed by Vice President Dick Cheney on global warming.
Hansen said the administration wants to hear only scientific results that "fit predetermined, inflexible positions." Evidence that would raise concerns about the dangers of climate change is often dismissed as not being of sufficient interest to the public.
Rev Prez said:No, but you clearly haven't been paying attention:
More http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/06/20010611-2.html [Broken].
I guess pretending the President does something as dumb as argue civilization does not contribute to climate change is sexier than actually participating in the worthwhile debate.
Yes, pattylou! I'm glad someone said it (I was tempted, but was shuddering too much to be able to type the words )pattylou said:(LOL Incidentally, having "the President" and "sexier" in the same sentence - :rofl: I have never seen the two together before!! Eeeewww! Gnarly!!!)
I've only yesterday seen a source where he openly acknowledges that humans 'contribute' (a different thing.) Are you referring to your link? In that link, it was the NAS that say that humans contribute. And it doesn't say "in large part."his stated position that human activity is in large part causing climate change?
Yes, and President Bush is speaking. Its amazing the length of denial people here go through just to debate strawmen.pattylou said:Gee, Thanks Rev. Didja notice, that in your quote, it's the National Academy of Sciences that say that humans contribute to climate change?
That would be the speech I already provided, the one the President gave in 2001.pattylou said:I've only yesterday seen a source where he openly acknowledges that humans 'contribute' (a different thing.) Are you referring to your link? In that link, it was the NAS that say that humans contribute. And it doesn't say "in large part."
Do you, or do you not understand that he didn't state an opinion on whether human activity is contributing?Rev Prez said:Yes, and President Bush is speaking. Its amazing the length of denial people here go through just to debate strawmen.
TheStatutoryApe said:I know that vehicle polution is the main problem but if we're going to switch over to electric and hybrid the source of the polution wont disappear it will simply be coming from the power plants instead.
They're more effiecient, certainly, but still depend on fossil fuels either directly or indirectly. I'm just suggesting that we should be hitting the issue at both ends. It doesn't seem that the current situation is allowing for that. It does seem though that the new energy bill may allow for nuclear, hopefully the right steps are being taken for it to proceed in the best way possible and not perpetuate the current problems with nuclear.pattylou said:Oops. Missed that the first time.
Hybrids don't get plugged in. They charge their battery mechanically, from the car. No pollution from the power plants, just better mileage.
Electric: It would depend on the owner. Ours would be powered off photovoltaics (we currently have a 3 kw system and would upgrade if we got an electric car.)
If you own a small business, you can get a tax break on any car you own, provided you use it for your business. Even if you just paint the name of your company on the vehicle, you can claim it as an advertising expense. This is true whether you drive a prius or a viper.pattylou said:The large vehicle thing - Yeah, I recall that it is for home businesses, but my understanding is that there are easy loopholes to get you the break.