Write complaints to CNN!

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I was watching Larry King last night because Bill Maher (who I love) was on the show. During a commercial break there was some religious commercial paid for by some church that said, "Evolution is a lie. Read the bible". :eek::bugeye::grumpy::mad:

Are you f'in kidding me!?!? It was blatantly promoting ignorance. This isnt the ,church channel to be having these kinds of commercials.
 
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I was watching Larry King last night because Bill Maher (who I love) was on the show. During a commercial break there was some religious commercial paid for by some church that said, "Evolution is a lie. Read the bible". :eek::bugeye::grumpy::mad:

Are you f'in kidding me!?!? It was blatantly promoting ignorance. This isnt the chruch channel to be having these kinds of commericals.

:rofl::rofl:
hmmm...perhaps they hadn't expeted those who believe evolution watch CNN!:tongue:
 
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Awesome. I want to see it. I wonder if it's on youtube somewhere.

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Or buy equal time!

It's a freedom of speech issue.
 
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I've seen them and they make me cringe. They're all over the TV trying to rebuild after they were dealt such a crushing blow a couple of years ago with DNA evidence that proved that Native American Indians weren't Isrealites and the story about Jesus coming to America in 33AD to visit the Isrealites was well....
 
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Whether or not it's because I don't watch CNN, I don't know, but I've never seen such an ad. Perhaps we have better 'stupidity filters' in Canada. In any event, it's up to the individual broadcaster to run an ad or not—as long as it has FCC approval (States-wise; the governing bodies vary from one country to another). While the idea of Creationist bull**** makes me sick to my stomach, I have to defend their right to publicize it.
 
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Maybe Scientists should have an inquisition of their own. :smile:
 
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Unfortunately, the net effect of complaining to them would be to send the message you were watching the show and paying attention to commercials. That's not going to get the ad off the air, that's incentive to charge more to show the ad during that time slot.
 
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Well if scientists start making commercials about religion and its negative effects, you'll see rioting on streets. People are still well below a 100 IQ and telling someone all their silly believes are whats making them stupid and poor will, well you get the idea they will not be happy.
 
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Man, that would be hilarious. A science commercial that shows illustrations of Jesus and the verses of the Bible fading in and out, overlaid by a booming, deep voice, saying "Do you believe in Jesus? If so, you must be very, very stupid."

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Man, that would be hilarious. A science commercial that shows illustrations of Jesus and the verses of the Bible fading in and out, overlaid by a booming, deep voice, saying "Do you believe in Jesus? If so, you must be very, very stupid."

- Warren

Lets pitch in and have one on Super Bowl
 
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I would honestly donate money to such a superbowl commercial, and I think its 100% possible if everyone donates some money. A super bowl add runs 2.4 million. If you can get 240k people to donate 10 bucks each, you have yourself a commercial. Why not, lets do it. Seriously. Its not THAT many people in a population of 300 million. Its 0.08% the population.
 
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It won't do any good though -- you have to understand that these days, religious people are mostly on the defensive. They see medicine and science encroaching upon their "territory" all the time. As a result, they spend an inordinate amount of their resources inventing ways to discount the scientific evidence and maintain a narrow rationale for faith. Think about how the vatican has responded to everything from dinosaur bones to stem cells.

If these true believers see such an advertisement, they'll just write it off as evil scientists trying to rob them of their faith yet again.

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Don't care. I'm not religious about science so it doesn't really bother me. People can do whatever they want. If you really, really want change then use cunning and get into a powerful position. *****ing will only swell the irritation, because as chroot said:

religious people are mostly on the defensive

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they spend an inordinate amount of their resources inventing ways to discount the scientific evidence and maintain a narrow rationale for faith

and they're richer and more powerful with crowds than you are.
 
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Unfortunately, the net effect of complaining to them would be to send the message you were watching the show and paying attention to commercials. That's not going to get the ad off the air, that's incentive to charge more to show the ad during that time slot.

Yes, you'd be the wrong person complaining.

You'd have better luck writing to the other companies that had commercials on the same show and telling them you refuse to buy from someone that advertises on the same shows as the commercials you find offensive. Stations are very likely to listen to complaining advertisers.

It's basically the same reason you used to see so few commercials for feminine hygiene products, viagra, and condoms, etc (except it was based on gut instinct rather than letters of complaint). Stations would lose advertisers, especially the advertiser worried about having the commercial after the offending commercial. They'd be afraid viewers would change the channel before their own commercial came on.
 
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Don't care. I'm not religious about science so it doesn't really bother me. People can do whatever they want. If you really, really want change then use cunning and get into a powerful position. *****ing will only swell the irritation, because as chroot said:



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and they're richer and more powerful with crowds than you are.

:confused: So we should just sit back quietly. Thats a very weak argument. Do you sit back when injustice happens because, "well, most people are doing it".....
 
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Man, that would be hilarious. A science commercial that shows illustrations of Jesus and the verses of the Bible fading in and out, overlaid by a booming, deep voice, saying "Do you believe in Jesus? If so, you must be very, very stupid."

- Warren

:rofl: I think that should definitely be done, if just for the sake of stirring things up a bit :rofl: ... I don't know what network would have the balls to run it though... probably only like HBO and comedy central or something... for some reason I don't see FOX NEWS running them :rolleyes:

While I do defend their right to express whatever beliefs they have (as long as it's not reported as news, since the news-media has duties that go beyond freedom of speech), I do think it's funny that, if scientists put out commercials of a similar tone, the public outrage would be huge.

Imagine the kinds of letters a network would receive if they ran ads that speak about the bible the way these ads speak about evolution :rofl: and I doubt those people would have a sense of irony.
 
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:confused: So we should just sit back quietly. Thats a very weak argument. Do you sit back when injustice happens because, "well, most people are doing it".....

Actually, I told you to use cunning and get in where you can change things if you really find it an injustice.

It's totally not an injustice to me. I could care less.

If somebody gets in my face and wants to mess with MY comfort, that's a different story. I won't have that, I'm actually pretty good at scaring Mormons away... I do it more for entertainment though than some sense of "justice".

But TV? Turn it off and quit whining.
 
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:confused: So we should just sit back quietly. Thats a very weak argument. Do you sit back when injustice happens because, "well, most people are doing it".....

that's the way I see it too. I see religion as a destructive force: destructive to the human spirit and intellect.
I don't speak against it because I like offending people or being an A-hole (although, in some cases, with the highly delusional, I must admit it can be funny), I speak against religion because I honestly believe that the world would be a better place without it.
You can't force people to not believe in what they believe, but words are powerful; the world has changed a lot through the power of words and education in the past centuries, so it is important to speak up.
 
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that's the way I see it too. I see religion as a destructive force: destructive to the human spirit and intellect.
I don't speak against it because I like offending people or being an A-hole (although, in some cases, with the highly delusional, I must admit it can be funny), I speak against religion because I honestly believe that the world would be a better place without it.
You can't force people to not believe in what they believe, but words are powerful; the world has changed a lot through the power of words and education in the past centuries, so it is important to speak up.

I apologize for my pessimism, but I think religion is a 'force' that's beyond our control. It's always been around. It's not decaying with time or anything. In fact, we had a Golden Age... but it's long over.

Anyway... why not put your energy into promoting science rather than destroying religion?
 
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I think religion is a 'force' that's beyond our control. It's always been around. It's not decaying with time or anything. In fact, we had a Golden Age... but it's long over.

I'll disagree with that. Can you imagine even discussing issues like gay rights a hundred years ago?? even teaching evolution at schools was (even more) controversial 50 years ago. I think the reason why religious groups are pushing so hard these days, is because they feel threatened. Society is slowly turning less religious, and these groups are feeling the pressure.

Anyway... why not put your energy into promoting science rather than destroying religion?

promoting science and rational thinking is destroying religion. Promoting evolution, is negating intelligent design. Promoting freedom of speech, is negating religious censorship. etc.

I'm not saying going out there with pitchforks and torches, I'm just saying speaking up is important. For example, people like Bill Maher or Dawkins help those who live in very religious families or towns know they are not alone and that there is nothing to be ashamed of. It's very hard for a non-religious person who comes from a very religious family to "come out" so to speak.

Promoting science and rational thinking publicly, helps people who would otherwise feel like there is something wrong with them know there isn't.
 
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moe darklight said:
I'll disagree with that. Can you imagine even discussing issues like gay rights a hundred years ago?? even teaching evolution at schools was (even more) controversial 50 years ago. I think the reason why religious groups are pushing so hard these days, is because they feel threatened. Society is slowly turning less religious, and these groups are feeling the pressure.

you're talking 50 years ago though. It doesn't go in one direction. It's going to fade and come back. Homosexuality was fine and dandy in Greek/Roman times... Religion was foolish in the Golden Age.... it waxes and wanes. You can raise your kids to have a good idea of reality, but good luck with other people's parents.

I'm not saying going out there with pitchforks and torches, I'm just saying speaking up is important. For example, people like Bill Maher or Dawkins help those who live in very religious families or towns know they are not alone and that there is nothing to be ashamed of. It's very hard for a non-religious person who comes from a very religious family to "come out" so to speak.

That actually sounds justifiable... I guess I had an easy raising with my father, who always told me to be wary of religion.

Don't get me wrong: my mother liked getting drunk on wine and telling me I was going to hell, which was kind of discouraging to me in my adolescence, but she also had a religious, abusive father.

For the sake of argument, Correlation != Causation though. There's plenty of non-invasive religious types around. I'm sure abusive people will still be abusive about their warped realities without needing a header like religion.
 
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I think that the main thing to remember here is that organized religion is not about faith; it's about power. It's a (fractured) political structure with the sole purpose of keeping the money and the lawmakers in its pockets. Those TV freaks couldn't care less whether or not you believe what they're preaching, as long as you send them money.
 
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Actually, I told you to use cunning and get in where you can change things if you really find it an injustice.

It's totally not an injustice to me. I could care less.

If somebody gets in my face and wants to mess with MY comfort, that's a different story. I won't have that, I'm actually pretty good at scaring Mormons away... I do it more for entertainment though than some sense of "justice".

But TV? Turn it off and quit whining.

Get real, and a clue. When you turn on a serious dedicated news channel, you dont expect to see these kinds of commercials on there. Its insulting to see a commercial specificially spread ignorance.

Also, scaring mormons away for entertainment........seriously? How immature. I just smile and nod my head until they leave (which is very fast if you just smile and nod).
 
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cyrus said:
Get real, and a clue. When you turn on a serious dedicated news channel, you dont expect to see these kinds of commercials on there. Its insulting to see a commercial specificially spread ignorance.

apparently you have no idea how media works...

Also, scaring mormons away for entertainment........seriously? How immature. I just smile and nod my head until they leave (which is very fast if you just smile and nod).

holier-than-thou much?

No Mormons were harmed in the production of this post.
 

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