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Written off Roswell some years ag

  1. Aug 24, 2003 #1

    Ivan Seeking

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    I had nearly written off Roswell some years ago. In the last couple of years, some evidence has come to light that gets my interest a little. Here is one item for your consideration.

    Please see this handwritten entry by Hoover; page 45 of pdf#1 in the FBI UFO files.
    http://foia.fbi.gov/ufo.htm

    July 15th, 1947; responding to the urging of others for the FBI to stay out of the UFO business, Hoover writes the following:
    Note that this is 7 days after the weather ballon story was released by the military. Comments?
     
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  3. Aug 24, 2003 #2

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    Hmm... it depends on what was the nature of the "discs" recovered. The current, most likely story was that the object was an observation balloon used to measure yields from Soviet missile tests. This may just be the FBI wanting access to the data discs recovered from the balloon.
     
  4. Aug 24, 2003 #3

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    Darn. I made an edit and accidentally deleted a few comments.

    First, I dont think we had data discs in 1947. Do you have anything specific in mind or do you only mean to allude to the possible interpretations of the word "disc".

    Perhaps he meant photographic disc of some sort?

    Why wouldn't Hoover simply want access to the data?

    Next, why would the FBI be involved in a cold war spy projects? This project should not have even been in the FBI's domain.

    I find this remark [Hoover's] very suspicious in light of the other claims around this alleged event; considering the timing.

    Any other ideas? I might argue the point but all suggestions are appreciated.

    Another interesting little tid-bit that I have picked up on Roswell:
    The government’s response to the UFO claim is that it was the Project MOGUL equipment that was shipped to Wright Patterson AFB on July 8th; not a UFO and dead aliens as is claimed. Next, we find investigations that show that according to all of the daily logs, nothing unusual happened at Roswell on July 7th and 8th - no dramatic changes in the operations, no abrupt change in personnel or normal activities, all aspects of these several days indicate that nothing unusual had taken place. Only a little excitement over the initial misinterpretation of the recovered MOGUL items.

    There are also no records of the equipment being shipped to Wright Patterson AFB as is claimed in the governments own report
    Did we miss something boys? It does make one wonder a bit.

    Finally [though not the end of the story], many of the official documents relating to Roswell were destroyed illegally; this according to the General Accounting Office report found in the Napster.
     
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  5. Aug 25, 2003 #4

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    Note significant edits and additions to the post above. I should have just made another post.

    I neglected to address the entire document. For the proper context this seems necessary.

    In the first part of this document, we find an internal memo for Mr. Ladd:
    Then we have and addendum from DML.
    An additional notation is made by EUT [it appears]
    Then we have the quote from Hoover
     
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  6. Aug 25, 2003 #5

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    Data discs. Some radiosondes (weather balloons) had a data system in which an audio signal from a driven tuning fork was modulated by input from a sensor and the record was made on low quality small plastic records. No kidding! So discs could have been data in that pre computer age.
     
  7. Aug 25, 2003 #6
    Ivan,

    I could not get into the FBI files
    to see the Hoover note. Any chance
    you could grab the image and post it here?

    -Zoob

    Post Script: It is very easy to
    find images of the front page
    of the paper reporting capture of
    the disc. I could not, however,
    find images of the recant (bal-
    loon) story. Gotta link?
     
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  8. Aug 25, 2003 #7

    Ivan Seeking

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    Sorry I was editing late again. Please see the edits to the last post.

    Zooby, I will be back with something later.

    Also FZ+, these data discs would seem to count as a possiblity then.

    Thanks selfAdjoint. Do you have any links on this?
     
  9. Aug 25, 2003 #8

    Ivan Seeking

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    I can't link the pic directly because we don't have a page by page address to use. This file requires Adobe Reader. Perhaps this is the problem; do you have adobe? I have been using the link myself today so it should be working.

    Can I paste an image to the page? I don't know how.
     
  10. Aug 25, 2003 #9
    Ivan,

    No Adobe. WebTv = modem + keyboard.


    Zantra did it with his Highlander
    animated graphic, so he will know
    how to do it.
     
  11. Aug 25, 2003 #10

    Ivan Seeking

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    I'm not so sure. That works a little differently I think. Anyway, I copied the entire text from the page referenced. If I can copy jpg's or gif's, or better yet bmp files onto the page, I will do so when appropriate.

    Zantra?

    Hey, I want to make my alien blink every now and then. Can someone help me do this?
     
  12. Aug 25, 2003 #11
    Ivan,

    Copying pictures is not hard if
    you have a real PC. Once you
    copy it into your PC's storage
    you come back here and put it in
    where it says attach file.

    I can't get into anything that is
    adobe or java, myself, but I
    can copy an image and get it
    back to paste into my own webpage
    if I want.I'm SURE you can do it.
     
  13. Aug 25, 2003 #12

    Ivan Seeking

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    For some reason it does not like my converted file...as nearly as I can tell. I am copying the pdf page into paint and then saving the file as a jpg. I then resize the image to the posting limit. In the end I had a 85K file; < 600 x 800 in dimensions, but I keep getting an overlimit rejection stating the the image must be less than 800 by 600. Anyone know what's wrong?

    I have to get back to work. I will try more later.
     
  14. Aug 25, 2003 #13
    Well I'm assuming you did the insert image command. All I can suggest is shrink it just a little more to fit it in.

    As for my highlander, it's just a direct link to another website where the image is posted using the IMG tag. As for the blinking alien, you have to find a blinking alien that will be small enough to upload as a custom avatar. You can do rhis wirh gif editing software. personally I didn't want to take it to that level;) I couldn't do it, so I just made it my sig.
     
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  15. Aug 25, 2003 #14
    Ivan,

    You're saying 600x800 then
    800x600 so it seems to be a matter of which is height and
    width. If you make sure none of
    the dimensions in your image is
    greater than 600 it may go.
     
  16. Aug 26, 2003 #15

    Ivan Seeking

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    Alas, , this was just a misstatement. The problem seems to lie with the converted file. I can't just link the original because it is 65 pages in length. I got a little buried with real work but I will get this working later. I have been meaning to do this anyway.

    Alas,
    Ivan
     
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  17. Aug 27, 2003 #16

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    Ivan, I have no links on the radiosonde info, it's just my memory from long ago weather classes.
     
  18. Aug 27, 2003 #17

    Ivan Seeking

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    OK Zooby the problem is resolved. Here is the page discussed. I will post the significant pages when appropriate in the future.
     

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  19. Aug 29, 2003 #18

    Ivan Seeking

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    I am posting to update this thread. Zooby, did you see that the attachment finally made it?
     
  20. Aug 29, 2003 #19

    I printed out the Hoover note and am surprised to find that what
    you transcribed as "(unreadable)"
    looks like it says "La." or
    maybe "Sa."

    I had assumed the unreadable
    word was "likely" or something
    to that effect: "For instance
    in the likely case the Army
    grabbed it + wouldn't let us have
    it for cursory examination."

    Instead it is clear he is refering
    to something that already took
    place: The "La. Case" (Louisiana?)

    This is tantalyzing but the type-
    written addendum above it recco-
    mends ignoring the matter since
    "the great bulk" of the discs
    have been pranks. The fact the
    Army wouldn't let Hoover see it
    can easily be explained as
    territorial squabbling and says
    nothing about the authenticity
    of the "La." disc or the Roswell
    incident.

    -zoob
     
  21. Aug 29, 2003 #20
    SA is an abbreviation oft times used in place of "special Agent" or sometimes sargent. Thus,

    had assumed the unreadable
    word was "likely" or something
    to that effect: "For instance
    in the likely case the Army
    grabbed it SA(special agent, sargent) smith wouldn't let us have
    it for cursory examination."

    I've noted SA used to abbreviate special agent in other FOIA docs, but as he's referring to the army, I tend to think in army rank terms. But then I'm not ex mil, so maybe there are special agent designations in the army- *shrug*. It would also explain why it s blacked out- no specific names mentioned, etc.
     
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