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News WSJ article on the flotilla

  1. Jul 7, 2010 #1

    EnumaElish

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    Today's WSJ has a well-written and informative account of the flotilla incident/attack/provocation:
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704535004575349031510961398.html
     
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  3. Jul 7, 2010 #2

    Evo

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    I had to edit the article, it violated copyright.

    Please post what you wish to discuss.
     
  4. Jul 7, 2010 #3

    arildno

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    And how, exactly, is the following documented:
    While the video footage shows that on every verifiable point, the IDF has spoken the truth, while the initial claims from IHH and its supporters are shown to be complete..lies.

    It could have been different, but it isn't.
     
  5. Jul 7, 2010 #4

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    That's been my impression since the beginning, until I read the last paragraph of the WSJ article, describing two ISF soldiers kicking someone apparently lying on the deck, one then firing "several shots toward the ground from his rifle at point-blank range."

    WSJ relates this to a Turkish forensic report on a US-born participant on the flotilla, which reportedly concluded that he was "shot five times at a range of 18 inches."

    BTW, I'm not an IHH member or supporter.

    [I've just realized that one needs to subscribe to see the entire article, including the parts Evo rightly deleted.]
     
  6. Jul 7, 2010 #5

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    1. A Turkish forensic report is of minimal value, since the doctors would have been killed by their atrocious government if they made a report that clearly contradicted what the Official Version was supposed to look like.

    Truth is the first to disappear when people live in fear of the lives of themselves or their dear ones.

    2. Furethermore, and crucial:
    Where is this video of the to IDF soldiers purportedly emptying their rifles behind some obstacle?
    I haven't seen it anywhere.
     
  7. Jul 7, 2010 #6

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    This may or may not be true in this specific case, I have no idea. While Turkish governments have harassed independent forensic experts by bringing lawsuits against them, there is reason to think that in most cases justice has prevailed: http://sites.nationalacademies.org/PGA/humanrights/PGA_051791

    Nevertheless, I applaud your skepticism, which is why I also support the call for an independent review of both sides' claims in this affair.
    I googled it; it is available here: http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2010/06/10/idf-executed-mavi-marmara-victims/

    The WSJ article has been posted in its entirety here: http://www.unitedjerusalem.org/index2.asp?id=1384153
     
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