What are alternative methods for solving the O.D.E. y'=(x^2+y^2)/xy?

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In summary, this ODE has two solutions, one with a positive and one with a negative sign, depending on the initial value/condition.
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for this O.D.E. :
y`= (x^2 + y^2)/xy
it's unseparable, so what other methods can there be taken?
 
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It's a change of variables case (actually excercise #1 in my book on this topic), the way you do this is check to see whether f(x,y) = f(tx,ty), where f(x,y) = dy/dx.
So if you substitute tx and ty for x and y respectively, you'll see that equality holds. Then do following substitution: y = x V(x) into the DE and see what you get with applying dy/dx and some simplifications. It should reduce to separable equation.
 
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This is just like the post about the other ODE. You can write it as:

[tex]y'=x/y+y/x[/tex]

Again, with the substitution z=y/x it becomes:

[tex]z+xz'=1/z+z[/tex]
or
[tex]z'=1/(xz)[/tex]
which is separable.
 
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it's homogenous, separable, use v=y/x
 
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ok, thanks!
 
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here's my work:
y`=x/y +x/y
suppose y=vx
=>v=y/x
=> y`=v+xv`
so v+xv`=1/v+v
=> vdv=dx/x
=> v^2=ln[absolute value(x)]+c`
=> (y^2)/(x^2)=ln[absolute value(x)]+c
=> y^2=2(x^2)ln[absolute value(x)]+cx^2
now if i take the square root on both sides, there should be a positive and negative sign on the right~
the correct answer should only have the positive sign, but how can you be sure that it should be positive?
 
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asdf1 said:
here's my work:
y`=x/y +x/y
suppose y=vx
=>v=y/x
=> y`=v+xv`
so v+xv`=1/v+v
=> vdv=dx/x
=> v^2=ln[absolute value(x)]+c`
Whoopsie, you've forgot a factor 1/2 on the left side.

You can use either sign, both will be valid solutions to the ODE. This becomes clear when you plug y back into the ODE to check if it works out. Then, with the benefit of hindsight, you could foresee this, since if y is one solution, then the other is -y and it's derivative is -y'. If you write the ODE as xyy'=x^2+y^2 you can see that if y is a solution, then -y is too.

Ofcourse, if you're given a boundary value or initial value/condition then there will be only one solution. (otherwise the problem is ill-stated).
 
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thank you very much! :)
 

1. What is an ODE?

An ODE, or ordinary differential equation, is an equation that relates a function to its derivatives. It is used to model many real-world phenomena in science and engineering.

2. What does "Y'= (x^2 + y^2)/xy ODE" represent?

The equation "Y'= (x^2 + y^2)/xy" represents a first-order ODE, as it only involves the first derivative of the function y. It is a separable ODE, meaning that the variables can be separated and solved individually.

3. How do you solve "Y'= (x^2 + y^2)/xy ODE"?

To solve this ODE, you can use the method of separation of variables. This involves isolating the variables on each side of the equation and then integrating both sides to find the general solution. From there, you can use initial conditions to find a particular solution.

4. What are the applications of "Y'= (x^2 + y^2)/xy ODE"?

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Like any mathematical model, this ODE has limitations. It may not accurately represent all real-world situations, and the solutions may not always be physically meaningful. Additionally, some ODEs may be difficult or impossible to solve analytically, requiring numerical methods instead.

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