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  1. Dec 17, 2003 #1
    Thank you Phoenixthoth.

    I will be back only on saturday.

    Have a good and mostly intersting,
    time here.

    My Best regard
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  3. Dec 18, 2003 #2
    what are you talking about? do i know you? right about what?
  4. Dec 19, 2003 #3

    I was realy attract to you
    when you were wondering in this forum,
    how mathematics will look
    in the next millennium

    If you answer me on that way,
    than you really don't know me.

  5. Dec 19, 2003 #4
    then i think i know you. yes, it will be interesting to see where math goes indeed.
  6. Dec 19, 2003 #5
    If so,

    It will be my real pleasure to share that with you here,
    but before I start do that let me ask you

    Do you have some idea about that?
  7. Dec 19, 2003 #6


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  8. Dec 19, 2003 #7
    Ok Anigma,

    As i wrote once, if we want to discuss really
    how mathematics sound be in the next millennium
    we must see that all of the known books
    in mathematics have the fundamental form of Euclid books,
    "The Elements".

    A right question is can we write mathematics,
    in a different way ?

  9. Dec 20, 2003 #8

    Phoenix Hi, Saturday

    About a month ago (27.11) it was publish in the BBC on line that a very young student ( 22) solved Hilbert 16 th' problem. unfortanly there it look that there is a mistake in here prove but let’s give E.O the credit of trying.

    Hilbert 8 th' problem is the famous Reiman hypothesis ( 1859) and we know about few mathematician that are very close today to reach this very high mission.

    The third problem that is still consider unsolved ( 20 were solved) is the 6 problem of Hilbert.

    But we must understand that Hilbert ask this question 5 years before Einstein discover relativity and quantum mechanics.

    The new melinuma of mathematics will create by the real and common effort to solve this mostely and very mystery problem of D.Hilbert.

  10. Dec 20, 2003 #9
    a proposed direction in the theory of everything that has to do with so-called "self-aware structures":


    i bet that math will latch onto this idea in connection with mind-theorists to try to figure out the smallest structures that have self-awareness structure. i bet this is something that will become important in the future. and then it will not just link physics and math but also theories of mind. indeed, that's more of "everything" than just uniting the four forces into one equation. in addition, perhaps the theory of everything should be the theory of the universal set.
  11. Dec 21, 2003 #10
    You are rigth

    Thank you Phoenixthoth,

    I will study,
    what you sent here,
    it is realy
    very interesting.

    I will replay to it
    on Saturday.
  12. Dec 30, 2003 #11
    Dear phoenixthoth,

    Thank you for the link to the theory on everything.
    it is realy mostly interesting paper.

    I believe like you that
    the hidden connection between mathematics
    and physics will come from biology.

    As i told you you are right!

  13. Dec 30, 2003 #12
    this is the paper moshek is talking about:

    actually, thank max tegmark!

    if his theory is on the right track, then it may unite consciousness with the rest. and if what i know about consciousness is on the right track, it really would be a theory of everything; just need to work out the hologram part of reality, if it is a hologram.

  14. Dec 30, 2003 #13
    Intelligent life

    Thank you for letting me know about Max Tegmark
    he is extraordinary thinker of our time.

    I think that his new theory relate to
    what i someting that i wrote in 2000
    after i heard Alain Connes the inventor
    of Non-commutative Geometry
    At U.C.L.A conference "100 to Hilbert":


    Intelligent life

    Planet Mar's was connected twice to the search of man for intelligent life. First was the effort to understand the retrograde movement of mars on the background of the night sky. second was a mistake that identify cannel on is face done by other culture. maybe there is connection between mars to the search of life in the area of mathematics.
    Thousand year's ago people observed that mars is going sometime in the opposite direction relative to the stars. Mars is moving slowly on the background of the night sky so you can distingue the different every day, suddenly he stand and then start to go in the opposite direction. Then he stop again and continue his regular direction.
    For explaining this strange movement the astronomer invented complex system of wheels so that earth is in the center . the most complicate system was invented by Talmy and it included 12 wheels. But 400 year's ago Copernicus invent a new revolutionary idea so that put the sun in the center of the world and not the planet earth. In this observation the explanation to the movement of mar's became very simple and it base on some interaction of movement between mar's and earth. This is how the science revolution started and it was with many hard struggle. The follower of Copernicus, Galilo and Newoton base the science way of thinking by a development of a new suitable mathematics.
    The top of this way of thinking bring in the 20 century to the development of two central theory: Relativity and Quantum theory. These two theory's change the way man understood himself in the world. We are not passive observer in the phenomena , and we have some active part that base on the interaction that between us and the world. Is there a way to establish similar principle in the rational area of mathematics? By first looking it look that there is no way for doing this. The world of mathematics seems to be absolute and exist without man. But from the other side we know that here is today some need to develop a new looking to mathematics that can bring to more understanding of the relation between mathematics and the world of phenomena. This was express in the lecture of Alein Connes who develop 20 year's ago Non commutative Geometry, and consider as one of the leading mathematician in the world today. "… we need today a new understanding in mathematics that it's source is not necessarily come from logic but more on the geometry." This end the last lecture in the conference "100 to Hilbert" . This conference was to point another famous lecture of Hilbert in Paris in 1900. Hilbert end his lecture by drawing a vision to discover an organic unity of mathematics.
    A Common looking on those two important conference like two eye's, one took place in Paris and the other in Los-angels, with a different of 100 year's in time arise the question if and how is moving mathematics , like mars, on the background of the culture of mankind. This is how arise the problem that not solved yet , of the inherent hidden connection between mathematics and the real world. But like the observation of Copernicus that aloud us to put the Sun in the center of our world and by this to understand more simply the interaction between the earth and mar's, we can point to a third eye's that solved the mathematical problem. The new common center of mathematics and physic is the discovery of the organic unity of mathematics , intelligent life.
  15. Jan 9, 2004 #14

    As you see
    It took me
    some day's
    to think about
    the mysteries equation in:



    You cannot understand them directly
    only in the languge of "Mount Analogue"
    when Non Euclidian mathematics
    is develop in some planet
    in the universe.
    Take for exapel: Earth.

    The Alien come
    and make some sight
    for the members
    of this planet

  16. Jan 9, 2004 #15
    very interesting site. i'm definitely not sure that it's not a hoax but the equations are interesting to me. i give a fairly detailed interpretation on the site linked to in my signature under "math" "miscelleneous" "mystery equations."
  17. Jan 10, 2004 #16
    Dear Phoenix,

    You gave in your forum
    a very interesting explanation
    to these equation.

    But still you look on them in Newton way of thinking
    seeing mathematics only as modeling of the universe.

    please read:


  18. Jan 10, 2004 #17
    if max tegmark is right ( http://www.hep.upenn.edu/~max/multiverse1.html ) then math is more than the model of the universe but is, in some sense, the universe.

    the pythagoreans believed reality at its deepest level is mathematical in nature.
  19. Jan 10, 2004 #18
    A very nice view.
    If you don't mind
    let's stay one more week
    just for think about that.

    Thake care
  20. Jan 17, 2004 #19
    You are right again Phoenix,

    The attitude to use mathematics for modeling the universe fail completely. We and our consensus are parts of this universe. This is why the discovery of non Euclidian geometry (1823) is only firts step in the death of the Euclidian mathematics base on axioms etc...



  21. Jan 17, 2004 #20


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    Is that the theme from "twilight zone" I hear in the background?
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