Zero Point Energy and Antigravity(aka Electrogravitic research

In summary: I'm not a physicist either, but it seems to me that these theories are fraught with unknowns that make them hard to believe.
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Zantra
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I would like to get your opinions on this area. I am not a physicist, and so my knowledge of this area is almost nonexistant. Here's the link to some compiled information, below I'll give some excerpts. I'm purely interested in the scientific views on these theories, and weather they sound possible, or not possible.

http://www.seaspower.com/Outsidethebox-Loder.htm

the mid 1920's Townsend Brown [2] discovered that electric charge and gravitational mass are coupled. He found that when he charged a capacitor to a high voltage, it had a tendency to move toward its positive pole. This became known as the Biefeld-Brown effect.

The essence of electrogravitics thrust is the use of a very strong positive charge on one side of the vehicle and a negative on the other. The core of the motor is a condenser and the ability of the condenser to hold its charge (the K-number) is the yardstick of performance. With air as 1, current dielectrical materials can yield 6 and use of barium aluminate can raise this considerably, barium titanium oxide (a baked ceramic) can offer 6,000 and there is a promise of 30,000, which would be sufficient for supersonic speed."

Although general relativity has not been able to explain Brown’s electrogravitic observations, or any other antigravity phenomenon, the recent physics methodology of quantum electrodynamics (QED), appears to offer the theoretical framework to explain electrogravitic coupling.

The second aspect of these physics findings deals with the zero point or vacuum state energy shown by the Casimir effect, which predicts that two metal plates close together attract each other due to imbalance in the quantum fluctuations. The implications of this zero point or vacuum state energy are tremendous and are described in several papers by Puthoff [17] starting during the late 1980s.

The question that is being addressed is: what keeps the universe running? Or more specifically, where do electrons get their energy to keep spinning around atoms? As electrons change state they absorb or release energy, and where does it come from? The simplistic answer is that it is coming from the vacuum state. Puthoff [23] describes the process as follows: "I discovered that you can consider the electron as continually radiating away its energy as predicted by classical theory, but SIMULTANEOUSLY ABSORBING a COMPENSATING AMOUNT of energy from the ever-present sea of zero-point energy in which the atom is immersed. An equilibrium between these two processes leads to the correct values for the parameters that define the lowest energy, or ground-state orbit (see "Why atoms don't collapse," NEW SCIENTIST, July 1987). Thus there is a DYNAMIC EQUILIBRIUM in which the zero-point energy stabilizes the electron in a set ground-state orbit. It seems that the very stability of matter itself appears to depend on an underlying sea of electromagnetic zero-point energy."

Furthermore, it appears that it is the spinning of electrons that provides inertia and mass to atoms. These theories, linking electron spin, zero point energy, mass, and inertia have been presented in a number of recent papers, such as those by Haisch [24] and colleagues and provide us with a possible explanation of the Biefield-Brown effect. It appears that an intense voltage field creates an electromagnetic barrier that blocks the atomic structure of an atom from interacting with the zero point field. This slows down the electrons, reducing their gyroscopic effect, and thus reducing atomic mass and inertia, making them easier to move around.

We also have the next level of propulsion, it is called virtual field, which are called hydrodynamic waves..."
 
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so no one at all has a comment on the validity of this? Disregard the source, and consider the scientific principals this paper addresses. As someone said, be skeptical, but do not be prejudiced.
 
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Zero point energy

There is a lot in your post!
Seaspower doesn't explain how they get their "free energy". They have had press releases etc but no-one has really seen the goods. Many have made over-unity claims, but who do you know has been able to buy a commercial unit and avoid energy bills (I don't count solar, wind, tidal, etc as valid over-unity methods)

I think there is a connection between electric and magnetic fields and gravity. However as we have so little understanding of how gravity and inertia arise the physics seems doubtful. Putoff, Haisch and Rueda have made a good attempt at a theory. Even more interesting is Podkletnov's experiments. I think he is the closest todate to unlocking the mystery. Maybe the Townsend Brown work should be thoroughly investigated further as the final rewards will be great. Imagine a world of inertialess space drives! That's the holy grail in my book.

Keep asking questions!

Marts
 
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That is the whole problem with these holes that need to be filled. And I believe the reason no one's willing to comment (other than yourself thusfar) is the source of this. People aren't willing to look past the conjecture and beyond to the scientific aspects of this, which disturbs me. Is the scientific community unwilling to address these obviously valid theories solely due to bias? Regardless of the skeptics who may say the source of this is a major hoax, This is purely scientific research which has been performed. And if it is true, it is any physicist's wet dream come true. So again, I encourage further reading on this topic and dicussion of it. Again I'm not a physics major, so I cannot debate this, only present the facts as I see them.
 
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Originally posted by Marts Liena
There is a lot in your post!
Seaspower doesn't explain how they get their "free energy". They have had press releases etc but no-one has really seen the goods. Many have made over-unity claims, but who do you know has been able to buy a commercial unit and avoid energy bills (I don't count solar, wind, tidal, etc as valid over-unity methods)

I think there is a connection between electric and magnetic fields and gravity. However as we have so little understanding of how gravity and inertia arise the physics seems doubtful. Putoff, Haisch and Rueda have made a good attempt at a theory. Even more interesting is Podkletnov's experiments. I think he is the closest todate to unlocking the mystery. Maybe the Townsend Brown work should be thoroughly investigated further as the final rewards will be great. Imagine a world of inertialess space drives! That's the holy grail in my book.

Keep asking questions!
Marts

The whole issue is that this technology does exist, and has been kept top secret for many years and withheld from the public and scientific community. Consider for a moment the ramifications of limitless zero-point energy. Imagine the imapact on the world economy, on the fossil fuel industry. Imagine the trillion dollar shift as oil companies are put out of business, new companies spring up for conversion.fossil fuel becomes practically obsolete. Imagine the ramifications of not needing an oil fuel supply on the middle east, on 3rd wrld countries as they now would have a limitless supply of zero-point energy. Further imagine the revolution on space exploration, the cascading effects would be felt by every single person on earth. This would be bigger than flight, bigger than the light bulb, bigger than the automobile. In fact the greatest discovery to date. It would virtually rewrite physics as it went.

Now you know why someone might want to keep this a secret.
 
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Yeah I've read this stuff before. The suggestion that the B-2 bomber uses some kind of electrogravitic technology is quite intruiging. Of course it's all way too far deep in the shadows to make it clear just how much is known in that area.
 
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I'm so happy that there are other people in this area. some great but cooky sites:
http://www.jlnlabs.org/
http://www.cheniere.org/toc.html
I've been secretive for a few days, but I can't hold it in any more. I have recreated the experiment outlined on the following site, proving that free energy is possible, but I have yet to make it practical.
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/smotidx.htm
The free increase in gravitational potential energy I've gotten is 3mJ! Note, that is milli- not micro-!
I know it seems like I'm tring to hijack the thread, but the second of the three websites is identical to the subject of the thread, and has lots of good info on a motionless perpetual motion machine.
 
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You misspelled "pseudoscience" in the parentheses in the thread title.

Thats pretty much it for the "science" of this stuff. The real debate is how best to prosecute those who use pseudoscience to defraud gullible people into buying nonexistant "free energy" devices.

Disregard the source, and consider the scientific principals this paper addresses.
You must ALWAYS consider the source.
This is purely scientific research which has been performed.
No. It hasn't. ZPE isn't about research, its about FRAUD.
And if it is true, it is any physicist's wet dream come true.
Which is precisely why if it WERE true, REAL scientists would be drooling over their keyboards while racing to get their papers published.
The whole issue is that this technology does exist, and has been kept top secret for many years and withheld from the public and scientific community.
You must not ever connect science and conspiracy theory. If there is real science in this, it must stand on its own.
Now you know why someone might want to keep this a secret.
Science CANNOT be kept secret. It simly doesn't work. If two people know about it, its not a secret.
 
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Russ, you are so dogmatic. I do agree this belongs in the psuedoscience page. But free energy is possible, and not always about fraud, seeing as how I haven't given any of them money and I have recreated a proven free energy device, without asking for money. The people on the websites I gave have on them or links to sites with disclaimers saying that the field is usually about fraud, so don't give free energy people money. I have a working version, I have tested it over and over, and it lifts a 23g magnet 1.7cm up, then drops it. I'm working on a rotary version now, since a magnet spitting device isn't practical. Btw, the ramp is 5.75 degrees and the table it is on is level, minus 1 or 2 degrees, making the ramp accually 6.75 to 7.75 degrees.
 
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As you are on physics forum, better ask why does this thing seem to work and how should one explain it away. Then we'd perhaps can get interesting discussion.
 
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Free energy is possible? I wish. Thermodynamics rules it out pretty much. After all, how do you propose to create this energy out of nothing?

Think about it. The motor it proposes moves by saying the negative side will be attracted to the positive side. Well, what is pushing the positive side forward? You say the ship moving. Well what moves the ship? The negative side moving to the positive side. But wait a minute. The positive side also would go down towards the negative side. Hmm we have no net force anymore. Zero force means zero acceleration, and hence no movement. Oops. So much for that free energy device.
 
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It seems money is no object(at least for now!)http://www.seaspower.com/Invest.htm

It also seems that S.E.A.S was set up by someone not on the technical merit table?
http://www.seaspower.com/aboutus.htm

But is here in name only:Steven M. Greer


It is quite obvious that the real technology frontiers are still on an ever decreasing Horizon away from the present time.

I do not doubt that B.E.C will be incorparated(if not already)into the equipment of onboard military craft, and specific BEC or the lesser doped family of entangled downconverters(To slow and trap incoming energy of enemy radar..and even laser guidence systems) will be tuned to attract and destroy any incoming hv frequencies, making the craft appear as a walking..talking..flying Blackhole Horizon!

There are many advances we humans can wish for, but the ones that get off the ground, and into our households are the ones which dictate where we go into the future.
 
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Originally posted by russ_watters
ZPE isn't about research, its about FRAUD.

I'm not arguing for the general position here. But FYC.

Regarding ZPE and the Casimir Effect: "Northeastern University experimental particle physicists Stephen Reucroft and John Swain put their heads together to write the following answer."

From Scientific American; Ask the experts.

"It is generally true that the amount of energy in a piece of vacuum can be altered by material around it, and the term "Casimir Effect" is also used in this broader context. If the mirrors move rapidly, some of the vacuum waves can become real waves. Julian Schwinger and many others have suggested that this "dynamical Casimir effect" may be responsible for the mysterious phenomenon known as sonoluminescence.

One of the most interesting aspects of vacuum energy (with or without mirrors) is that, calculated in quantum field theory, it is infinite! To some, this finding implies that the vacuum of space could be an enormous source of energy--called "zero point energy."
 
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Originally posted by russ_watters
You misspelled "pseudoscience" in the parentheses in the thread title.

Thats pretty much it for the "science" of this stuff. The real debate is how best to prosecute those who use pseudoscience to defraud gullible people into buying nonexistant "free energy" devices.

You must ALWAYS consider the source. No. It hasn't. ZPE isn't about research, its about FRAUD. Which is precisely why if it WERE true, REAL scientists would be drooling over their keyboards while racing to get their papers published. You must not ever connect science and conspiracy theory. If there is real science in this, it must stand on its own. Science CANNOT be kept secret. It simly doesn't work. If two people know about it, its not a secret.

This is just one source on ZPE research. SEAS claims that they have been contacted by SEVERAL individuals who are either in the process of, or already have developed these devices. It's understandable to maintain secrecy prior to completion in order to ensure copyright, intellectual, and other legal interests are met.

Since you're claiming that all these people who've done actual research in this area are crackpots, please do us the favor of presenting your findings from your own personal research, or the research on ZPE proving the casmir affect and other theories false. That or other papers disproving these theories. Otherwise, you're just being bitter, close-minded, and very biased, judgemental and pretty much the antithesis of a scientist.

I eagerly await your reply
 
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Originally posted by Jonathan
Russ, you are so dogmatic. I do agree this belongs in the psuedoscience page. But free energy is possible, and not always about fraud, seeing as how I haven't given any of them money and I have recreated a proven free energy device, without asking for money. The people on the websites I gave have on them or links to sites with disclaimers saying that the field is usually about fraud, so don't give free energy people money. I have a working version, I have tested it over and over, and it lifts a 23g magnet 1.7cm up, then drops it. I'm working on a rotary version now, since a magnet spitting device isn't practical. Btw, the ramp is 5.75 degrees and the table it is on is level, minus 1 or 2 degrees, making the ramp accually 6.75 to 7.75 degrees.

If this is accurate, it would seem some people need to take their foot out of their mouths.
 
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I do not believe anyone here is (well if they know any science they wouldn't) attacking the existence of the Casmir effect. Rather it is the harnessing of it for free energy. The Casmir effect is symmetrical, meaning no useful work will come of it in that form. At present there is NO way to generate an asymmetrical Casmir effect, and if I recall, calculations show it may in fact be impossible.

Rather the thing being disputed here is that free energy is not possible. Sure there can be claims of it and claims that several people bought into it, but look back and see just how many claims for free energy have been made before, and notice how the people who sell it never, ever, ever deliver.
 
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way out of bounds

I posted this just after Brad_Ad23. This was intended for Zantra and Jonathan.
 
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Originally posted by Brad_Ad23
I do not believe anyone here is (well if they know any science they wouldn't) attacking the existence of the Casmir effect. Rather it is the harnessing of it for free energy. The Casmir effect is symmetrical, meaning no useful work will come of it in that form. At present there is NO way to generate an asymmetrical Casmir effect, and if I recall, calculations show it may in fact be impossible.

Rather the thing being disputed here is that free energy is not possible. Sure there can be claims of it and claims that several people bought into it, but look back and see just how many claims for free energy have been made before, and notice how the people who sell it never, ever, ever deliver.

I only know a little about this from some lightweight sources. I have heard conjecture about this... I don't mean to argue that these are valid considerations; only that I have read of such ideas from apparently reputable sources.

Edit: Also, I never understood ZPE to be free. I thought this was a problem of symmetry not source?
 
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My message was more directed towards those claiming a conspiracy, or for there to be free energy.

And as for ZPE and it being free energy, that is correct. As I said, because it is symmetrical there is no way to tap into it. It is merely a curio. What would happen if you tapped into it? Well, energy likes to flow. It will travel from areas of higher concentration (higher energy density) to areas of lower concentration (lower energy density...pretty much basic thermodynamics dealing with heat). If you opened up this well of infinite energy, guess what you just did? You created a white hole, and destroyed the universe all in one. Congrats :wink:
 
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Originally posted by Brad_Ad23
If you opened up this well of infinite energy, guess what you just did? You created a white hole, and destroyed the universe all in one. Congrats :wink:

Boy you caught me just in time... Thanks for mentioning this!
 
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Of course if Cal Tech can postulate on keeping the mouths of black holes open, and stable, using two perfectly conducting charged spheres, might one be allowed to conjecture on methods to create a stable asymmetry for ZPE?
 
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Originally posted by Brad_Ad23
My message was more directed towards those claiming a conspiracy, or for there to be free energy.

And as for ZPE and it being free energy, that is correct. As I said, because it is symmetrical there is no way to tap into it. It is merely a curio. What would happen if you tapped into it? Well, energy likes to flow. It will travel from areas of higher concentration (higher energy density) to areas of lower concentration (lower energy density...pretty much basic thermodynamics dealing with heat). If you opened up this well of infinite energy, guess what you just did? You created a white hole, and destroyed the universe all in one. Congrats :wink:

Ok then let's for a moment withdraw the conspiracy theories and focus purely on the scientific aspects.
 
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Originally posted by Ivan Seeking
Of course if Cal Tech can postulate on keeping the mouths of black holes open, and stable, using two perfectly conducting charged spheres, might one be allowed to conjecture on methods to create a stable asymmetry for ZPE?

This is not intended as sarcasm or as an assertion. I am just wondering if this situation compares in sophistication and complexity; or whether a ZPE source is absolutely disallowed based on more fundamtal arguments.
 
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Originally posted by Jonathan
Russ, you are so dogmatic. I do agree this belongs in the psuedoscience page.
You need to reread the definition of "dogmatic." Better yet "open minded." Those who jump on pseudoscience have open mindedness backwards. Being open minded means you evaluate information you are given OBJECTIVELY and the make a logical conclusion from it. The open minded, logical, objective conclusion about free energy through ZPE is that there is nothing to it.

You think you're being open minded. In fact, you are being GULLIBLE.
But free energy is possible, and not always about fraud,
A great many people have been duped out of a ton of money over this.
...I have recreated a proven free energy device...
Build a generator with it then. (then go collect your Nobel Prize) Good luck.
Steven M. Greer
Greer has been around a long time. He's as famous, successful, and rich of a crackpot as anyone has ever been. He has never invented anything that creates free energy, nor has he ever put forth a real scientific paper on how such a device might work.
It is quite obvious that the real technology frontiers are still on an ever decreasing Horizon away from the present time.
Heh. You're exactly right - they are now and will ALWAYS be 'just around the corner.' The horizon only seems to be getting closer.
One of the most interesting aspects of vacuum energy (with or without mirrors) is that, calculated in quantum field theory, it is infinite! To some, this finding implies that the vacuum of space could be an enormous source of energy--called "zero point energy.
It is infinite. And by definition, it is also ZERO. Thats the other half of the story they conveniently leave out. Because it is zero, there isn't anything to harness. (brad said more about it)
That or other papers disproving these theories.
What theories? You just said the "research" was being done in secret. There aren't any theories to validate or invalidate. This is ANOTHER pseudoscience red flag.
or whether a ZPE source is absolutely disallowed based on more fundamtal arguments.
YES. The same theory that predicts the effect exists (Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle) also says that it can't be harnessed. Essentially, ZPE hoaxsters ignore the "but..." that comes after "it exists."

I know you guys wanted to get back to the science of it, but real quick: I highly recommend the book "Voodoo Science; The Road from Foolishness to Fraud" by Robert Park. Its short, informative, and entertaining. And it would help some of you to be able to dismiss this sort of hoax just by being able to recognize the signs.
 
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That is a great book. It's a fun read and informative too.
 
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I've been secretive for a few days, but I can't hold it in any more. I have recreated the experiment outlined on the following site, proving that free energy is possible, but I have yet to make it practical.

If the magnets lifting the ball truly was free energy, it would be trivial to design a perpetual motion machine out of it. Try the following:

Instead of chaining two devices together by using one device to lift the ball then drop into the next one, put the second device at the higher level to lift the marble yet again, and chain a bunch together to lift it, maybe, a foot off the table, then a track to run it back to the start again.

Or alternatively, chain a bunch of the devices (all placed on the table) so that each device lifts the ball dropping it into the next device, and arrange the devices to form a big circle.


Either way, if there was truly free energy, the ball would continue from one device into the next and perpetual motion would be trivial.
 
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Originally posted by russ_watters
It is infinite. And by definition, it is also ZERO. Thats the other half of the story they conveniently leave out. Because it is zero, there isn't anything to harness. (brad said more about it)

Russ, I could just be out of date, but I don't think the answer is that clear cut. I will see if I can find any legitimate sources that argue this point. Opinions of scientists can vary widely and many do not recognize the opinions of others. I believe the comment made was that a proof "may" exist for this.

I am not arguing for Greer in any way here. At a glance this stuff looked like hogwash to me also. I am talking about fundamental principles only. Again, I may just be behind on the latest.
 
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Originally posted by Ivan Seeking
Russ, I could just be out of date, but I don't think the answer is that clear cut. I will see if I can find any legitimate sources that argue this point. Opinions of scientists can vary widely and many do not recognize the opinions of others. I believe the comment made was that a proof "may" exist for this.

I am not arguing for Greer in any way here. At a glance this stuff looked like hogwash to me also. I am talking about fundamental principles only. Again, I may just be behind on the latest.


It is that clear cut. The energy does exist and is infinite. BUT, it exists for a very short time. Remember if we know the energy (in this case infinite) the time fram it is in must be very small. In fact, it would be as small as possible. So yes, technically it is there, but it is also not there. Not to mention the symmetry problems I mentioned. Nothing useful can come of it. If you breakt he symmetry, the effect disappears.

It boils down to trying to harness water to make power when you are in the water, and this water is water that cannot flow (b/c then you could get the equivalent of windmills). The energy potential is equal across the universe, and hence cannot be tapped into.
 
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Q: virtual particles get created in vacuum. They come as particle-antiparticle pairs, ie. matter-antimatter. Confusing for me is that when matter-antimatter annihilates, its supposed to emit 2 gamma photons. Seems like 2 gamma photons appear from nowhere. Where does the energy come from? From 'change' in ZPE 'pressure' or surrounding fields?
 
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No. When the virtual particles anhilate, they vanish again. Remember it occurs on the shortest possible time scale. If one whishes however, they can say the anhilation of the virtual matter will create elsewhere virtual photons that will also cancel out very fast.
 
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Originally posted by Brad_Ad23
It is that clear cut. The energy does exist and is infinite. BUT, it exists for a very short time. Remember if we know the energy (in this case infinite) the time fram it is in must be very small. In fact, it would be as small as possible. So yes, technically it is there, but it is also not there. Not to mention the symmetry problems I mentioned. Nothing useful can come of it. If you breakt he symmetry, the effect disappears.

It boils down to trying to harness water to make power when you are in the water, and this water is water that cannot flow (b/c then you could get the equivalent of windmills). The energy potential is equal across the universe, and hence cannot be tapped into.

I guess that I must do some review. How do we justify infinite energy in a potentially finite universe? This notion has always bothered me. I was not aware that anything truly infinite was known to exist. Do we mean that the total energy of the universe is the upper limit?

Doesn't the Casmir effect use ZPE to do work on the mirrors [in the quote given earlier]?

I understand the objection of having no sink for the source.
 
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Originally posted by Jonathan
The people on the websites I gave have on them or links to sites with disclaimers saying that the field is usually about fraud, so don't give free energy people money. I have a working version, I have tested it over and over, and it lifts a 23g magnet 1.7cm up, then drops it. I'm working on a rotary version now, since a magnet spitting device isn't practical. Btw, the ramp is 5.75 degrees and the table it is on is level, minus 1 or 2 degrees, making the ramp accually 6.75 to 7.75 degrees.
Indeed. Wasting money is a bad thing.

But because I am bored, I will explain why this particular perpetual motion device is false.

Let's first cut away the extraneous BS. What you have here is a ball, which is set up at a distance from a magnet. When you let go of the ball, naturally it goes forward, attracted to the magnet. It goes forward, and reaches the point where it is closest to it. So far, so good.

But notice there is actually NO free energy at all involved. The system is set up with a potential energy from the distance you positioned the ball at the start. You have in effect, already given the ball a little push. What thermodynamics tells us is that eventually, the inital reservoir of energy you have will run out, and the ball will stop.

Now let's look at the "successful" experiment. The ball climbs. Yep, it is using up it's potential energy into kinetic, and into GPE. It reaches the end, potential in the magnetic field effectively runs out and GPE is at max. It now falls, but as it falls, it's acceleration is reduced by the attraction of the magnet.

Now, suppose we are actually scientific, and put a set of scales at the end to measure the final KE of the falling ball, you will find that it is in fact less that the potential energy you had at the start. You've lost energy all the way from friction on the ramp, from air resistance during the fall. (You might note that the website entiring messes up here, because they stupidly assume that the only potential energy that exists in GPE, something easily disprovable by the attraction of a bar magnet.)

It gets worse. Ever wondered why it is so hard to make the system "practical"? Because the suggestion of connecting one to the other doesn't actually work. After the ball goes off at the end of the device, the old magnetic field doesn't just disappear. It still has an attraction of the ball! And unlike the attraction of the next device, this is at maximum. An experimental will find that the device has run out of energy - in the combined magnetic fields of the two devices, there is simply not enough potential energy left to go up the ramp again. At this point the ball just gets stuck, and our poor pseudoscientist goes off in quiet dejection to talk about conspiracies.

Sorry mate. The laws of thermodynamics win out EVERY TIME.
 
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Originally posted by FZ+
"I'm baaaack!"

I was wondering about you. :wink:
 
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Originally posted by Zantra
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the process as follows: "I discovered that you can consider the electron as continually radiating away its energy as predicted by classical theory, but SIMULTANEOUSLY ABSORBING a COMPENSATING AMOUNT of energy from the ever-present sea of zero-point energy in which the atom is immersed.

Furthermore, it appears that it is the spinning of electrons that provides inertia and mass to atoms.

Someone suggested that we address the 'science' issues here. As a start:

If the electrons are radiating classically then where is the radiation? As a classical problem, the radiation for a hydrogen atom in the ground state is easily calculated. We can't measure this radiation. Why not?

If it is the 'spinning' of electrons that give mass and inertia to atoms then why do ions (especially H+) have the predicted mass and inertia assigned to them? I have measured the tracks of ions in physics classes and from photos and they do indeed have mass.

Finally, if these zero point energy guys were on to something why aren't they building examples to make believers out of all of us instead of selling book after book?
 
<h2>1. What is Zero Point Energy?</h2><p>Zero Point Energy (ZPE) is the lowest possible energy that a quantum mechanical physical system may have. It is also known as the vacuum energy or vacuum fluctuations. It is the energy that remains in a system even at absolute zero temperature.</p><h2>2. How is Zero Point Energy related to Antigravity?</h2><p>Antigravity, also known as Electrogravitic research, is the study of using electromagnetic fields to counteract the effects of gravity. ZPE plays a key role in this research as it is believed that harnessing ZPE could potentially lead to the creation of an antigravity device.</p><h2>3. Is Zero Point Energy a proven concept?</h2><p>While ZPE is a well-established concept in quantum mechanics, its practical applications are still being researched and debated. There have been some experiments that show promising results, but more research is needed to fully understand and harness its potential.</p><h2>4. Can Zero Point Energy be used as a source of unlimited energy?</h2><p>There is currently no technology that can efficiently extract or harness ZPE for practical use. While it is a vast and seemingly endless source of energy, the challenge lies in finding a way to access and utilize it in a controlled and sustainable manner.</p><h2>5. What are the potential implications of harnessing Zero Point Energy?</h2><p>If we are able to successfully harness ZPE, it could have a profound impact on various fields such as energy production, space travel, and even our understanding of the universe. It could potentially lead to new technologies and advancements that we can't even imagine yet.</p>

1. What is Zero Point Energy?

Zero Point Energy (ZPE) is the lowest possible energy that a quantum mechanical physical system may have. It is also known as the vacuum energy or vacuum fluctuations. It is the energy that remains in a system even at absolute zero temperature.

2. How is Zero Point Energy related to Antigravity?

Antigravity, also known as Electrogravitic research, is the study of using electromagnetic fields to counteract the effects of gravity. ZPE plays a key role in this research as it is believed that harnessing ZPE could potentially lead to the creation of an antigravity device.

3. Is Zero Point Energy a proven concept?

While ZPE is a well-established concept in quantum mechanics, its practical applications are still being researched and debated. There have been some experiments that show promising results, but more research is needed to fully understand and harness its potential.

4. Can Zero Point Energy be used as a source of unlimited energy?

There is currently no technology that can efficiently extract or harness ZPE for practical use. While it is a vast and seemingly endless source of energy, the challenge lies in finding a way to access and utilize it in a controlled and sustainable manner.

5. What are the potential implications of harnessing Zero Point Energy?

If we are able to successfully harness ZPE, it could have a profound impact on various fields such as energy production, space travel, and even our understanding of the universe. It could potentially lead to new technologies and advancements that we can't even imagine yet.

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