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does any one know of any new advances in zero-point physics
Not considered conventional physics? Since when? And since when do YOU know what conventional physics is? Have you checked how many papers on Casimir effects have appeared in Phys. Rev. Lett.? Or maybe you only only read the CRC handbook? And considering that Eric Cornell and his group just published a remarkable paper on the measurement of such a force on a single atom using BEC condensates, what you are saying is outrageously wrong!Deckers said:That is not considered Conventional Physics I think. It reminds me of Quantum Mechanics, the total energy in any mass is large we're told. But extraction without destruction is implicit in your desire to produce "Zero Point Energy".
Please check what you have posted and then consider if you have added anything to the thread rather than making erroneous statements. I really don't care if you feel "insulted" since you, in turn, do not care if you are making an accurate statement. The CONTENT of your postings so far have been either outright mistakes, or filled with outrageous misunderstanding. The fact that you do not even bother checking the validity of what you are saying is ALSO INSULTING to those of us who work and respect this field of study. Have you ever considered THAT?Deckers said:Zapper;
You are an insultive person, I suspect you don't wish to add a reply but prefer to insult me instead. That is inconsiderate to the poster, and adds nothing to the thread.
Zero Point Energy has never been publicly proven to function viably. The hypothesis exists that it may but "energy for nothing" is the general perception.
Who would care if they got booted from your condescending and fruitless "enjoyable discussion"? I'm not looking for another degree, but maybe you're up to bat.
Don't confuse the "general perception" (as promoted by cranks and crackpots) with the real science.Deckers said:Zero Point Energy has never been publicly proven to function viably. The hypothesis exists that it may but "energy for nothing" is the general perception.
Exactly. I think that Deckers is thinking of the sci-fi version of ZPE (think Stargate SG-1/Atlantis), not the sci-fa version.Doc Al said:Don't confuse the "general perception" (as promoted by cranks and crackpots) with the real science.
How did it "benefit to people" when you obviously missed the reference I gave? How "new" do you want it to be? 3 hours ago? The Eric Cornell paper was published in PRL just LAST WEEK! That isn't new enough?Deckers said:In the oil field we have a concept called "Jerking Somebodies Chain". It means if you are hurtful and insultive enough to someone, they will answer your question. It works sometimes I guess.
The roots of Zero Point Energy are in historical German {?Nazi} Research, but so are guided missiles and jet engines.
The question was "has anybody heard anything new in the field of Zero Point Energy" My answer was no, and the net is tougher to navigate with little but a title to go on.
A Google search reveals 20,300,000 hits for Zero Point Energy . Of which this thread will now constitute a small portion now.
I only replied to show support for the suposition, not to degrade it.
I'm sure that will be of benefit to people.
I'm not sure what all the flaming is about, however, I would say that "Casimir force" is repectably mainstream, while Puthoff's theories are on the fringe (Puthoff does have some papers published on the topic in PRL, Puthoff, HE, “Source of Vacuum Electromagnetic Zero-Point Energy”, Physical Review A, for instance, but I would still call his theories fringe rather than mainstream).ZapperZ said:Not considered conventional physics? Since when? And since when do YOU know what conventional physics is? Have you checked how many papers on Casimir effects have appeared in Phys. Rev. Lett.? Or maybe you only only read the CRC handbook? And considering that Eric Cornell and his group just published a remarkable paper on the measurement of such a force on a single atom using BEC condensates, what you are saying is outrageously wrong!
http://focus.aps.org/story/v16/st8
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I certainly agree. I cringe when we get people claiming you can get "useable" energy out of such things, sometime even an endless supply of it. One only needs to look at how difficult it is to make a clear detection of Casimir effect.pervect said:I'm not sure what all the flaming is about, however, I would say that "Casimir force" is repectably mainstream, while Puthoff's theories are on the fringe (Puthoff does have some papers published on the topic in PRL, Puthoff, HE, “Source of Vacuum Electromagnetic Zero-Point Energy”, Physical Review A, for instance, but I would still call his theories fringe rather than mainstream).
There are other people out there talking about ZPE who are downright cranks, like Tom Bearden and his book "Energy from the Vacuum".