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    Car turning with external force help from spoiler

    Hey guys, first off, thanks for all your input. In terms of this quote above, can't you cancel load transfer by adding a torque opposing the torque that is causing it (normal force and lateral friction force). Correct me if I am wrong but the load transfer happens because of a torque from mostly...
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    Car turning with external force help from spoiler

    Thanks Mender, I did not exactly see a problem with the wing and its placement and am glad to see thistechnology is being used. Now can you give me a recommendation? I am thinking about having the wing produce a roll towards the inside of the curve, thus reducing the weight on the outside tires...
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    Car turning with external force help from spoiler

    I understand that cars have a centripetal force lke anything else exedrted on them by an external force in order to turn. When a car turns the patch of tire in contact with the ground is altered due partly to inertia and thus the car does not follow the direction the wheels are pointing, which...
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    Car turning with external force help from spoiler

    Pretty much by having the spoiler above the center of gravity, if I have the rudder at the right angle for a certain turn angle, I should be able to counteract the roll and thus the weight/load transfer and optimize friction on the wheels. Will this work?
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    Car turning with external force help from spoiler

    Also, Dave I am thinking about placing the spoiler directly abpve the CG that way the foprces will only go towards roll as opposed to torque because I think there are complications neither of us know about specially the yaw aspect (as I am no car expert either) having it back there. Any...
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    Car turning with external force help from spoiler

    Ok, any ideas on how I can make the car do the "yawing" part of the turn with this system in place. More weight in the front?
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    Car turning with external force help from spoiler

    I agree with what you are saying above Dave, I am looking more into lateral forces. I also see where you are going when it comes to the yaw, which is were I stil am not 100 percent sure. First of all, do you agree with me that strain is taken off the rear tires on a turn, if not why? Also how...
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    Car turning with external force help from spoiler

    Round track, thus the rectangular sides of the "spoiler" will be angled in a similar direction (with the left towrad the front, right toward the back for a left loop.
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    Car turning with external force help from spoiler

    Hey, Dave I am a little confused on what you mean here. If the "rudder" is angled so the front is to the right, back is to the left and I turn right, there would be a force with components to the right and to the back on the rudder, thus that should help with turning as the right is were the...
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    Steering Wheel Angle & Radius of Curvature

    How accurate is this when going above 30mph though? I know there is deformation in the tire causing a slip angle and thus the car is not going where the wheel is aimed. Check slip angle on wikepedia for a better explenation. I am guessing this formula only works with low speeds...?
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    Car turning with external force help from spoiler

    Yes, exactly with that configuration set up let's say before <---- <---- after <-- <-- <-- <-- where bottom is force...
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    Car turning with external force help from spoiler

    Ok, thanks for the help. My way of seeing this is that to go around a turn you need x amount of cent. force. With the spoiler in place allowing for an extra component of force towards the center of the turn, the force towards the center in the rear wheels decrease by the amount of the force...
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    Car turning with external force help from spoiler

    If I can get anyone of the questions answered, the most helpful for me would be if I took a corner at the same speed with and without the spoiler, the lateral friction on the wheels would decrease with the spoiler than without it...?
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    Car turning with external force help from spoiler

    Ok, so when a car turns, the tires provide the acceleration pointing toward the center of the turn. If for some reason, I put a spoiler on my car with two rectanglular pieces, one on each side that are tilted, to the left, mocking an airplane rudder, thus when the wind has contact with them...
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    Eplenation with Load Transfer on Car Turning/ Acceleration

    I am guessing, correct me if I am wrong, <____[]--|--[]<____ where ___> represent friction forces on tires. the line down the"midle"represents the weight, and of course there are the normal forces on each wheel which i did not draw. I can see by this that only the normal force on the right tire...
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