to PeterDonis,
I thought so too, but in post #58 you corrected me and so I changed it to try to appease you by phrasing it exactly as I thought you wanted it phrased. Scroll up and see #60 where I was clearly just trying to be accommodating to you.
Specifically, I changed it to "the change...
For the record, I've been reading your posts PeroK but not always responding as it's quite clear PeterDonis has become pretty attached to me at this point and I worry about making him jealous.
Just to show how right you are, I'm not even sure what's meant by Quantum Mechanics. At best I'd say...
Peter,
Thanks again for hanging in there. Today's joke will be answered at the end. It's a real thinker. "What's blue, but smells like red paint?"
I'm actually trying very hard to be consistent in a way you'll find acceptable just so we can talk. So... when it comes to referring to...
Peter,
I'm back still acting in good faith. Let me regroup and define terms and say some stuff back to you to see if it's landing for me.
Going forward, let's define "collapse," as synonymous with "where rule 7 is applied in the experiment."
Four our purposes, "collapse" just means the...
Peter,
First, just thanks again for your patience and attention to detail. I really do appreciate people like you who take the time to engage with people and do this kind of work in forums.
I may get caught up in my own thinking and ask the same question again but it's not intentional...
One of the things that brought me here was Neil deGrasse Tyson's comments on quantum physical interaction. I know he's keeping it simple and trying to address a wider audience, but is it possible he's a bit mistaken in his understanding? I did a quick transcript of what he's saying followed...
Okay, I've read and re-read.
Well, you're part of everybody.
Good lord if you only knew how many times I've typed and retyped this response. Hours.
There's a difference between asking what's happening in terms of what's occurring in reality in front of our eyes, verses what's happening...
Pero/Peter,
I'm going to try to stop answering inline and go back and try to re-read your post and links to the numbered rules and see if it sinks in. Given a desire to respond to this thread in a timely fashion, I'm not sure I have the intellect to completely wrap my head around all the...
Got it.
So this the "shut up an calculate" approach?
Rather than saying the basic rules make it pointless to ask whether the electron changes state, could you explain to me why the basic rules make it pointless to ask whether the electron changes state?
This logic feels circular, not...
When I said vague I was referring to you calling the results "a pattern of dots" instead of calling it an interference pattern or calling it "a double slit with "which way" information" instead of saying which-way detectors were used. As you'll recall, my question was about physical...
Rather than respond to this, I'll repeat my definition and then see if any previous back & forth has already cleared things up.
By collapse, I mean the change in state from a quantum particle being in super position to being measured. The problem is, I may not be using the same vocabulary...
Yes, I did mix you and peroK up as one person. I don't think I've responded to the other two, but might later. Anyway, I stand corrected.
Okay okay, I'm still here trying to get it so long as you and everyone else has enough patience to try to get it across. (although I might need to come...
lol. Fair point. Let me change it to I thought I had a solid layman's understanding of the QM experiments I was asking about.
Okay, let's do it. For starters, it might help for you to explain to me why my assumptions are wrong instead of just saying they are wrong. Specifically what was...