Transition of Photons & Electrons: How Lasers Work

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The discussion centers around the mechanisms of photon emission and absorption by electrons, particularly in the context of laser operation. Participants explore the nature of these processes, the implications of electron transitions, and the theoretical frameworks that describe them, including quantum electrodynamics (QED) and string theory.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the nature of the electron's path and speed during photon emission, suggesting that the process may not be instantaneous.
  • Another participant argues that the direction of photons may depend on their wave behavior, indicating uncertainty about the definition of a photon in this context.
  • A different viewpoint raises the complexity of interactions between massive particles (electrons) and massless particles (photons), referencing string theory as a potential framework for understanding these interactions.
  • One participant elaborates on the quantum mechanical description of electron transitions, proposing a model involving a time evolution operator that describes the probabilistic nature of photon emission over time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of uncertainty regarding the instantaneous nature of photon emission and the underlying mechanisms involved. There is no consensus on the specifics of the electron's behavior during photon release or the completeness of current theoretical models.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on theoretical frameworks like QED and string theory, which may not fully capture the nuances of electron-photon interactions. The discussion also highlights the probabilistic nature of quantum states and measurements.

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Assuming that process of electrons releasing photons isn't instaneous, what happens during the transition?

I'm also curious why lasers work. Photons passing through high energy molecules cause the eletrons to release photons with the same phase and direction, and I'm wondering how this release happens relative to the orbital path of the electron at the during the release period. The photons direction is always the same, but what is the electron's path and speed during the period of release?
 
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I would say that, in some cases, the photons direction lies in a well defied plane, but this assertion of photon's direction assumes you have a well defined wave behavior which you call photon, which I guess it is not true.

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Photon absorption and release from electrons would be interesting even if it were instantaneous...and it may be. How does a "particle" with mass, energy and momentum absorb or release a "particle" that has energy but no mass nor momentum?
I guess string theory provides the latest hypothetical insights where it is conjectured all particles are vibrating strings. String theory proposes one string (an electron) either aborsbs another vibrating string or splits like an amobea into two strings with different vibrational characteristics, one beingthe photon. But why electrons only absorb and emit photons in quanta matching hypothetical orbit levels/energies is not fully understood.
Having rules and math for interactions to describe what is observed doesn't necessarily mean the underlying detail is fully understood. In ten or twenty years there may well be another theory to explain it!
 
Jeff Reid said:
Assuming that process of electrons releasing photons isn't instaneous, what happens during the transition?

In the specific case you mention, it is difficult to really work out what I'm going to sketch in detail - I even wonder if it can be done within the actual theoretical framework of QED, where we only have a working machinery for asymptotic states (the S-matrix).
But we could imagine the following: the coupling between the atomic system (the electron in a potential, if it were) and the free photon state (the state of the unperturbed EM field) results in a unitary time evolution operator U(t) which acts upon the initial state |excited atom>|n photons> and results into something which takes on the form:
U(t) |excited atom>|n photons> = a(t) |excited atom>|n photons> + b(t) |ground state atom>|n+1 photons>

where a(t) is a falling amplitude with time and b(t) is a rising amplitude with time, such that after some time T, a(T) is essentially 0, and b(T) is essentially 1.

So the quantum state transits smoothly from the |excited atom>|n photons> state at t=0 to the |ground state atom>|n+1 photons> at time T.
But of course a measurement of this state will make us decide, probabilistically, between the first or the second state. The longer we wait, the more chance we have to perceive the photon emission. The probability to observe an emission is given by |b(t)|^2.
 

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