Variational Mechanics for Geodesic Cylinder: Find Min Dist b/w 2 Points

  • Thread starter Thread starter stunner5000pt
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Mechanics
Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion focuses on finding the curve that minimizes the distance between two points on a geodesic right cylinder with radius R, using cylindrical polar coordinates. The distance is expressed as an integral involving the function f(z, θ) = √(r² + (∂z/∂θ)²). Participants explore the application of the Euler-Lagrange equation, specifically ∂f/∂θ - d/dθ(∂f/∂z) = 0, to derive the optimal path. The conversation highlights the complexity of the problem, especially under test conditions.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of cylindrical polar coordinates
  • Familiarity with the Euler-Lagrange equation
  • Basic knowledge of calculus, particularly integration
  • Concept of geodesics in differential geometry
NEXT STEPS
  • Study the derivation and applications of the Euler-Lagrange equation in variational mechanics
  • Explore the concept of geodesics on different surfaces, including cylinders and helices
  • Learn about optimization techniques in calculus of variations
  • Investigate the relationship between cylindrical coordinates and other coordinate systems in geometry
USEFUL FOR

Students and professionals in mathematics, physics, and engineering, particularly those focusing on variational mechanics and geometric optimization problems.

stunner5000pt
Messages
1,447
Reaction score
5
for a geodesic right cylinder with radius R. Find the curve taht minimizes the distance between two points r1 and r2. where r = (R,phi, z) in cylindrical polar coordinates. Express your answer as z = z(phi)

pardon the sloppy math
not the most fun to get this type of question on a 50 minute test! Anyway,

x = r cos t
y = r sin t
z = z

[tex]\mbox{distance} = \int_{1}^{2} \sqrt{r^2 + \left( \frac{\partial z}{\partial \theta}\right)^2}[/tex]
ist hat the distance between two points on a cylinder?
Or would this distane be represented by something of a helix? I mean a cylinder could be considered as helix... right?
 
Last edited:
Physics news on Phys.org
If your integration limits are angles [itex]\phi_1~and ~\phi_2[/itex] and you integrate w. r. to [itex]\phi[/itex], then you are good.
 
ok so do i plug this into the euler lagrange equation?

so [tex]f(z,\theta) = \sqrt{r^2 + \left( \frac{\partial z}{\partial \theta}\right)^2}[/tex]

Euler Lagrange equation is
[tex]\frac{\partial f}{\partial \theta} - \frac{d}{d\theta} \frac{\partial f}{\partial z} = 0[/tex]
is this the right way to go?
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K
Replies
3
Views
9K
Replies
8
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
6K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
9K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K
Replies
0
Views
3K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
3K