Who Said "Shut Up and Calculate"?

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The discussion revolves around the attribution of the phrase "Shut up and calculate!" to either Richard Feynman or Paul Dirac, with participants expressing confusion and sharing various perspectives on the origins of the quote.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant believes the quote is attributed to Feynman, while a wiki article claims it is Dirac.
  • Another participant recalls having read it ascribed to Feynman but cannot remember the source.
  • A link is shared suggesting that someone else may have originated the phrase.
  • Concerns are raised about the reliability of wiki articles, with one participant arguing they can contain errors and should not be relied upon for factual information.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of outspoken scientists, with some expressing a preference for less vocal individuals in the scientific community.
  • Participants express differing views on the value of quoting scientists and the implications of their opinions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the attribution of the quote, and multiple competing views remain regarding its origin and the reliability of sources.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the accuracy of various sources, including Wikipedia, and discuss the implications of quoting scientists without context.

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I read it ascribed to Feynman, but don't recall where I read it. If it comes back to me I'll post it here, though.
 
Here's a very interesting piece:

http://www.physicstoday.org/vol-57/iss-5/p10.html

This man believes he may have originated the phrase.
 
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You shouldn't trust wiki articles ever since they are free to edit and can be made by anyone. They are good articles for basic knowledge but don't rely on it for facts because more often than not there is an error lying in it.
Now whether it is Mermin or Feynman is a different story...and an interesting one.
 
The plot thickens:cool:
 
If there is any quote I like, it would be this one. It eptomises the need for just 'shutting the f*&k up' in science. Not even Einstein does it for me here, too much outspoken, too much BS in my opinion.

Outspoken Scientists are the worst, besides hippies.
 
Bladibla said:
If there is any quote I like, it would be this one. It eptomises the need for just 'shutting the f*&k up' in science. Not even Einstein does it for me here, too much outspoken, too much BS in my opinion.

Outspoken Scientists are the worst, besides hippies.

How outspoken.
 
Christina- said:
You shouldn't trust wiki articles ever since they are free to edit and can be made by anyone. They are good articles for basic knowledge but don't rely on it for facts because more often than not there is an error lying in it.
Now whether it is Mermin or Feynman is a different story...and an interesting one.
I have Mermin's book on SR. Decent read, but not real great. Wish we used Wheeler instead. Oh well.

Wikipedia is in general as accurate as Brittannica. That said, neither is authoritative, and neither is a method of proof (*points at the myriads of morons who try to tell me iron undergoes fusion in supernova explosions trying to use wikipedia citations as a method of proof*). Citation in general, is not a method of proof.
 
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rachmaninoff said:
How outspoken.

No. Me outspoken would be to take about politics, society and general anti war protests.
 
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Bladibla said:
No. Me outspoken would be to take about politics, society and general anti war protests.

I don't see why one would disregard a scientists opinion like a hippies opinion. Yah hippies are generally way off and have no regard for reality but scientists tend to be pretty level-headed people. I personally have a problem of people quoting scientists in a way that depicts them as of a higher philisophical intellect. Then again quoting people to me is a fairly flakey idea in the first place. Then again, i was about to put a quote in my signature...
 
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I almost agreed with you, then I realized who wrote it and disregarded it.
 
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tribdog said:
I almost agreed with you, then I realized who wrote it and disregarded it.

i love you so much tribdog
 
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wanna make out?
 
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No no is no[/color]
 
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I meant in general, not just with me. virgin
 

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