Radiowaves & Heat: Why Don't They Grill Us?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between radiowaves, heat, and the behavior of electrons and molecules. Participants explore concepts related to the electromagnetic spectrum, the mechanisms of heating by microwaves and infrared waves, and the nature of electron motion.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether heat is related to the process of accelerated electrons and suggests that the longer wavelengths of microwaves and infrared waves contribute to their heating effect, while radiowaves, with even lower wavelengths, do not heat us due to low signal strength.
  • Another participant clarifies that heat is related to the speed of molecules rather than just electrons, emphasizing the randomness of molecular motion.
  • A participant inquires about the nature of electron motion, asking if it is continuous or discrete.
  • In response, another participant describes electron motion as "indiscrete," explaining the concept of electron orbitals as probability clouds rather than fixed paths.
  • A challenge is raised regarding the terminology of "indiscrete" versus "discrete," with a participant expressing confusion over the definitions and their implications for electron behavior.
  • One participant reiterates that heat is not solely about accelerating electrons but involves the randomness of motion across various particles, including atoms and molecules.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the definitions of "discrete" and "indiscrete" in the context of electron motion, as well as the relationship between heat and electron acceleration. There is no consensus on these points, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants appear to have differing definitions and understandings of key terms, which may affect their arguments. The discussion also highlights the complexity of electron behavior and its implications for understanding heat.

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1. Does heat refer to the process of accelerated electrons?

2. I've looked at the electromagnetic spectrum illustration and I thought: Microwaves and infrared-waves heat things because they have a longer wavelength and thus the probability that they hit particles is higher, resulting in acceleration (of electrons?[see 1.]) and heat. But radiowaves have a even lower wavelength! Since they are almost everywhere on Earth why don't they grill us: Because they have a low signal strength/magnitude?
 
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Heat is related to the speed of molecules, not just the electrons. The molecules bounce into each other so the direction is relatively random.

Here's a simple link to how microwaves work:

http://home.howstuffworks.com/microwave.htm

Microwave effect was discovered back in 1946, and the first "Radar Range" was made back in 1947, but since it cost as much as a car, it wasn't very popular. It wasn't until the 1960's that microwaves started getting popular.
 
So can the speed of electrons vary? Is the motion of electrons continuous (orbital) or discrete (appearing and disappearing at certain places with a certain degree of probability)? Thanks!
 
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I'd call it indiscrete rather than discrete. An electron isn't really a little ball of something flying around the nucleus of an atom. You have electron 'orbitals', which are a shortcut to dealing with the fact that since the particles don't really exist, their orbits don't either. The orbital is the cloud of probability functions that determine the odds of there being an electron there at any particular time.
 
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How can it be indescrete if there isn't an orbit? Non-discrete space would indicate continuity; there is only continuity and discrete space. How is continuity possible without orbital motion?
 
I think that we're using different definitions for 'discrete'. To me, it means something specific and confined, which is the opposite of an electron. For instance, it applies to which orbital an electron will occupy dependent upon its energy level; it does not apply to where within that orbital the electron might be at any instant. Sorry for the confusion there.

edit: I just looked it up in the dictionary. Now the problem is clear. I was unaware of the mathematical use of the word.
 
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Heat doesn't refer to the process of accelerating electrons. It relates to randomness of the motion and, specifically, to the randomness in the speed of electrons, atoms, ions or molecules.
 

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