Does a decreasing current create an induced electric field in a magnetic field?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around whether a decreasing current in a linear conductor induces an electric field in the direction of the current. It explores concepts related to electromagnetic induction, the behavior of electric and magnetic fields, and the implications of changing currents.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if a current source, such as a battery, is implied in the scenario and suggests that the electric field appears radially outwards from the rod.
  • Another participant draws an analogy to a current loop with inductance, stating that diminishing the current induces an electric field, questioning if a similar effect occurs in a linear current.
  • One participant asserts that the induced current from a collapsing magnetic field opposes the direction of the original current, referencing inductive impedance.
  • Another participant claims that diminishing the current produces an electric field at every point in space, particularly near the current, and mentions the concept of photons as charge carriers.
  • A later reply discusses the relationship between the geometry of the electrostatic field and the curl of the electric field, suggesting that a changing magnetic field must induce an electric field component parallel or antiparallel to the current.
  • One participant notes that inductance in a circuit can create larger sparks when the circuit is interrupted, indicating that the induced electromotive force opposes the reduction of current.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the induced electric field aligns with or opposes the direction of the current. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference concepts from Maxwell's equations and inductive effects, but the discussion does not resolve the assumptions or definitions underlying these claims.

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Hi all, I have a question.

Suppose you have a device that makes a current pass through a linear "rod":

I -->
(+)---------------------(-)

Now say you start diminishing the current at a rate -dI/dt. Does an induced electric field appears in the direction of the current?
 
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Hi,

By device do you mean a current source? i.e. a battery or such like?

The electric field will appear radially outwards from the 'rod'.

Regards

Tom
 
I was thinking more along the lines of a long straw and someone hired to blow charges in it. :smile:

When we have a current loop of inductance L and you diminish the current at a rate of -dI/dt, the magnetic flux thorugh the loop changes, and that induces an electric field which acts as an electromotive force of magnitude LdI/dt. Does the analogue happens with a linear curent? I.e. is there an induced electric field in the direction of the current?
 
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The answer is no. The induced current from the collapsing magnetic field is OPPOSITE of the direction of the electrical current in the wire which created the field. This is called inductive impeadance.
 
The answer is yes.
1) I produces a B ( except I=0 )
2) Dimishing I ( that means too : dimishing B ) pruduces an E
at EVERY point in space, specially nearly at once near the current.

BUT REMEMBER : Charges can also be Photons ( QED ) without charge.

Appendix:
I said, Weizäcker's Theory is wrong, but the American Mr. Jearl Walker says, he was right.
 
Thanks abc33333333, the contrary would have surprised me. In fact, your confirmation gave me the courage to find exactly why it is true from the maxwell's equations. From the geometry of the electrostatic field of the straight wire and the geometric definition of curl, I found that when B changes, the electric field must have a component in the direction parallel (or antiparallel) to the current, and that component must be bigger near the wire.

I was going to follow that question with one concerning the energy in the magnetic field but I found a satisfying answer.
 
quasar987

That's why inductance in a circuit create larger sparks when the circuit is cut.
The induced emf opposes the current reduction, fortunately for our world.

Michel
 
why do you say "fortunately" ?
 

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