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Amith2006
Oct21-06, 07:26 AM
1)A sensitive magnetic instrument can be shielded very effectively from outside fields by placing it inside a box of :
a)teak wood
b)plastic material
c)soft iron of high permeability
d)a metal of high of conductivity
The electric lines of force cannot penetrate a closed metal box. But I don’t know about magnetic lines of forces. Can someone clear my doubt? The answer would be either {c} or (d).

Hootenanny
Oct21-06, 07:41 AM
What can you say about the magnetic flux in a substance with a high permeability when compared to air?

Amith2006
Oct22-06, 03:12 PM
What can you say about the magnetic flux in a substance with a high permeability when compared to air?


In a substance with high permeability the magnetic flux will be high. So do u mean that soft iron cannot be used as its permeability is high?

Hootenanny
Oct22-06, 05:18 PM
In a substance with high permeability the magnetic flux will be high. So do u mean that soft iron cannot be used as its permeability is high?
Quite the reverse actually. The magnetic flux will be 'redirected' into the soft iron rather than the air and therefore the flux will be 'deflected' around whatever is inside the box. Does that make sense?

Amith2006
Oct24-06, 11:46 AM
Quite the reverse actually. The magnetic flux will be 'redirected' into the soft iron rather than the air and therefore the flux will be 'deflected' around whatever is inside the box. Does that make sense?
I didn't understand entirely what u said. With whatever I have understood, I have the drawn the lines of forces that would exist inside the soft iron box. Is it right?

berkeman
Oct24-06, 12:45 PM
I didn't understand entirely what u said. With whatever I have understood, I have the drawn the lines of forces that would exist inside the soft iron box. Is it right?
Good first try, but you need to show a finite thickness to the box, and show how the external field lines get concentrated inside the walls of the box, thus bypassing the volume inside the box. Give it another shot and I'll approve the pending attachment as soon as I can.

Hootenanny
Oct24-06, 12:47 PM
I didn't understand entirely what u said. With whatever I have understood, I have the drawn the lines of forces that would exist inside the soft iron box. Is it right?
Not entirely the magnetic flux should not extend inside the cavity in the box, just in the material of the soft iron core itself as in this image;

http://www.tpub.com/neets/book1/chapter1/1-18.gif
Taken from http://www.tpub.com/

Think about how the magnetic permittivity relates to the magnitude of flux through an object.

Edit: Guess berkeman beat me to it. Does mentorship come will free typing lessons? :tongue2:

Amith2006
Oct25-06, 02:51 AM
I have understood now. Thanks.

berkeman
Oct27-06, 06:35 PM
Edit: Guess berkeman beat me to it. Does mentorship come will free typing lessons? :tongue2:
I only beat you because you were taking the time to find a nice figure for the explanation. I looked briefly and gave up. :blushing: