How Can Sunrise Duration Estimate the Sun's Temperature?

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The discussion revolves around a thermodynamics problem involving the estimation of the sun's temperature based on the duration of sunrise, which is given as 2.1 minutes. Participants are exploring the relationship between this time measurement and the properties of black body radiation.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • The original poster attempts to understand how the duration of sunrise can relate to the sun's temperature, questioning the relevance of kinetic energy in this context. Other participants suggest looking into known methods for estimating the sun's temperature based on distance and radius, while some express confusion about deriving these values from the provided time.

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Some participants are actively engaging with the problem, with one claiming to have reached an estimate of the sun's temperature. However, there is no explicit consensus on the methods used or the validity of the approaches discussed, indicating ongoing exploration of the topic.

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Participants are working under the assumption that the Earth and the sun can be treated as black bodies, and there is a focus on deriving necessary values from limited information provided in the problem statement.

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So I've been given a problem in my thermodynamics class and it is completely confusing me. Here is the problem:

"Measured from the time when the first rays of sunshine appear above the horizon until the moment when the sun is fully visible, sunrise lasts 2.1 minutes. Based on this information, and assuming that the Earth and the sun are “black bodies”, can you estimate the temperature of the sun?"

Now I don't even have any clue what the teacher is getting at. I suppose that using that time i can estimate the velocity of the sun. I don't see how this will lead me towards an estimate of the sun's temperature since I can not assume the sun's kinetic energy is due to thermal energy. Can anyone give me a hint as to what i should even be thinking about? thanks.
 
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"... can you estimate the temperature of the sun?"

Looks like a "yes/no" to me --- which is it?
 
:-) somehow I don't think a simple no I can't will suffice, haha. Wikipedia has a nifty way of estimating the temperature of the sun just using the distance between the sun and earth, and the radius of the sun, however I'm not sure how I can get both of these values simply from know this 2.1 minute value. Anyone got a hint for me?
 
Well I've managed to answer the question, and i get an estimate of 5990 degrees kelvin which doesn't seem far off at all. I'm pleased. If anyone is interested in what I did, post here and i'll post my solution.
 

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