100% efficiency plus hydrosonic pump

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The discussion revolves around the hydrosonic pump, an "over unity" device claimed to produce more energy in heat than it consumes in electricity. Participants explore its principles, efficiency claims, and implications regarding energy conservation, while also expressing skepticism and curiosity about its existence and functionality.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants describe the hydrosonic pump as producing about 1/3 more energy in heat than it requires in electricity, suggesting it operates through induced cavitation.
  • Others express confusion about how the device can produce more energy than it consumes, questioning whether it violates conservation of energy principles.
  • One participant notes that the device cannot be 100% efficient due to entropy considerations.
  • There are inquiries about the availability of smaller versions of the pump for personal use, indicating interest in practical applications.
  • Some participants reference external links for further information on the device and related technologies.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the validity of the hydrosonic pump's efficiency claims, with multiple competing views on its implications for energy conservation and skepticism about its operational principles.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the mechanisms by which the hydrosonic pump operates, particularly concerning the sources of additional energy and the implications for established physical laws.

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Have any of you heard of the hydrosonic pump? It is an "over unity" device that actually works. It is said to produce about 1/3 more energy in heat than it requires in electricity to produce. It is not a perpetual motion machine because it does not produce enough energy to run itself (converting steam to electrical power is very inefficient). But still, it produces more heat energy than is input in the form of electricity.

The inventor, a man named James L. Griggs, believes it to be the result of induced cavitation (a situation that a designer usually tries to avoid, where flash steam is created by changes in pressure in a pump.)

The invention had some problems with bearings and NASA provided some solutions in exchange for some technology rights to the device.

http://www.sti.nasa.gov/tto/spinoff2000/ip3.htm

The device is in commercial use. Here is a website for the company.

http://www.hydrodynamics.com/index.htm

Here are some discussions on the greater than 100% efficiency claims.

http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~wayfarer/anomaly/technology/runswater_trans.htm

What do you think?
 
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Not sure I understand it (I only looked at it for a minute), but it looks like the extra energy comes out of the water as heat.
 
I saw a video on the pump... looked impressive. I'd like to see a small one work or buy a small one,but I didn't see any for sale. hmmmmmmm does it really exist?

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It may not be a perpetual motion machine, but doesn't it still violate conservation of energy by producing more energy than is require to operate it?
 
that can't be right, it can't even be 100% efficient because of entropy
 
pete5383 said:
It may not be a perpetual motion machine, but doesn't it still violate conservation of energy by producing more energy than is require to operate it?
He said "it produces more heat energy than is input in the form of electricity". Obviously there is something other than electricity that is contributing energy into the system.
 

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