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The discussion revolves around Google's Book Search feature, particularly its implications for accessing academic content, the historical context of epistemology, and the challenges posed by copyright and digital rights management (DRM). Participants explore the utility of the feature while questioning the relevance of older texts in contemporary research.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant highlights the ability to search for full books and journals through Google, noting a predominance of pre-1920 texts when searching for "epistemology," raising questions about the relevance of these sources.
  • Another participant points out limitations of Google's library, including incomplete coverage and legal challenges from publishers regarding scanned content.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of DRM on access to content, with one participant expressing skepticism about its effectiveness and control by companies.
  • A participant questions whether the lack of contemporary sources in epistemology reflects a broader trend in research practices, suggesting that the importance of understanding the origins of ideas may be overlooked.
  • Another participant counters the concern about older texts by mentioning the vast number of authors discussing quantum mechanics, implying that there is ongoing discourse in modern contexts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the value of older texts in research and the implications of DRM. There is no consensus on the necessity of contemporary sources in epistemology or the effectiveness of Google's Book Search feature.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the incomplete nature of Google's library, ongoing legal disputes affecting content availability, and the potential influence of DRM on access to digital books.

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I was not sure to put this post, since it could be of possible benefit to everyone here, but if the mods think it's advisable, I'm sure they'll put it someplace appropriate. Google has a new feature that let's you search the content of books. Sometimes it's only relevant excerpts and tables of content, but if you toggle the preference from "All Books" to "Full View Books", you can get to read entire books and journals.

It's pretty nice, although when I Googled "epistemology", almost all the books returned were from before 1920. That's a bit disturbing. Do people not bother researching the origins of the ideas underpinning their assumptions, or has that practice fallen out of favor, or is it perhaps practiced under another name?

Einstein's obituary for Ernst Mach said:
How does it happen that a properly endowed natural scientist comes to concern himself with epistemology? Is there not some more valuable work to be done in his specialty? That's what I hear many of my colleagues ask, and I sense it from many more. But I cannot share this sentiment. When I think about the ablest students whom I have encountered in my teaching—that is, those who distinguish themselves by their independence of judgment and not just their quick-wittedness—I can affirm that they had a vigorous interest in epistemology. They happily began discussions about the goals and methods of science, and they showed unequivocally, through tenacious defense of their views, that the subject seemed important to them.

Concepts that have proven useful in ordering things easily achieve such authority over us that we forget their earthly origins and accept them as unalterable givens. Thus they come to be stamped as "necessities of thought," "a priori givens," etc. The path of scientific progress is often made impassable for a long time by such errors. Therefore it is by no means an idle game if we become practiced in analyzing long-held commonplace concepts and showing the circumstances on which their justification and usefulness depend, and how they have grown up, individually, out of the givens of experience. Thus their excessive authority will be broken. They will be removed if they cannot be properly legitimated, corrected if their correlation with given things be far too superfluous, or replaced if a new system can be established that we prefer for whatever reason.
 
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Keep in mind that:

a) Google's online library is not yet complete.
b) Some publishers have taken legal action to prevent Google from scanning their books.
c) Google cannot publish any books in entirety which are still under copyright.

The truth is that I don't think it'll take all that long for some distributed projects to completely slurp the entire contents of Google Print and produce an enormous, distributed copy of everything they've scanned, in entirety.

- Warren
 
Well I imagine DRM will provide some mechanism for subscription libraries with protected content, although I'm not to pleased about letting a company control what I do.
 
DRM's a joke, you realize.

- Warren
 
turbo-1 said:
Do people not bother researching the origins of the ideas underpinning their assumptions, or has that practice fallen out of favor, or is it perhaps practiced under another name?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_science" .
 
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turbo-1 said:
It's pretty nice, although when I Googled "epistemology", almost all the books returned were from before 1920. That's a bit disturbing. Do people not bother researching the origins of the ideas underpinning their assumptions, or has that practice fallen out of favor, or is it perhaps practiced under another name?

A gazillion authors of a gazillion books on the interpretation of quantum mechanics might beg to differ.
 

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