Atom Temperature: Kinetic Energy of Subatomic Particles?

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The discussion centers on the concept of temperature in relation to atoms and their subatomic particles, exploring whether an individual atom can possess its own temperature defined by the kinetic energy of its constituents. The scope includes theoretical considerations and conceptual clarifications regarding temperature at the atomic scale.

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  • One participant suggests that temperature for a monatomic gas is the sum of the kinetic energy of individual atoms and questions if an atom can have its own temperature based on its subatomic particles' kinetic energy.
  • Another participant proposes that while an analogous quantity could be defined, temperature is fundamentally a property of bulk particles on the macroscale.
  • A third participant states that temperature is a state variable from statistical mechanics and asserts that defining temperature for an individual atom is not feasible, linking this to the equipartition theorem's failure at the atomic level.
  • A later reply reiterates the initial question about atomic temperature, emphasizing that the energies of nucleons and electrons are governed by quantum mechanics, leading to discrete rather than random energies.

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Participants express differing views on the definition and applicability of temperature at the atomic level, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a consensus.

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The discussion highlights limitations in defining temperature at the atomic scale, particularly regarding the influence of quantum mechanics on energy states and the implications for statistical mechanics.

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for a monatomic gas the temperature can be described as the sum of kinetic energy of the individual atoms. but what i wonder is can an atom have it's own temperature, defined as the sum of the kinetic energy of the sub atomic particles which make it?
 
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Good question. You could possibly define an analogous quantity if you wanted; but as far as I'm aware, temperature by definition is a property of bulk particles on the macroscale.
 
Temperature is a state variable, and it comes from statistical mechanics. As such, the temperature of an individual atom cannot be defined. If I'm not mistaken, the failure to define temperature at the atomic scale actually has to do with why the equipartition theorem fails at the atomic level.
 
nolanp2 said:
for a monatomic gas the temperature can be described as the sum of kinetic energy of the individual atoms. but what i wonder is can an atom have it's own temperature, defined as the sum of the kinetic energy of the sub atomic particles which make it?
The problem is that the energies of the nucleons in the nucleus and of the electrons around the nucleus, are subject to quantum mechanical laws. They have discrete energies rather than random energies. It is not analagous to a large collection of molecules moving randomly with a continuous energy spectrum over a broad range.

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i see, sounds like the details are above my head for the moment. thanks for the replies
 

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