Is the tension of the string same or not?

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The discussion revolves around the treatment of tension in a string when analyzing wave motion, specifically contrasting the assumptions made in deriving wave speed and energy transfer. Participants explore the implications of tension being constant versus varying along the string in different contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that Halliday's physics book assumes constant tension along the string when deriving wave speed, but suggests that tension varies when considering energy transfer.
  • Another participant asserts that tension is constant in a stationary string but varies during wave motion.
  • A different participant emphasizes that since every point in a wave is moving, the tension cannot be the same at different points, questioning Halliday's assumption for wave speed calculations.
  • One reply clarifies that the tension in the stationary parts of the wire remains constant, which is necessary to understand the tension in the wave itself.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding the different treatments of tension in Halliday's examples, particularly how tensions are considered equal in some cases but not in others, leading to uncertainty about when tensions are equal or not.

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Participants express differing views on the constancy of tension in the context of wave motion, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved regarding the treatment of tension in wave analysis.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding the assumptions made in Halliday's explanations, particularly regarding the conditions under which tension is considered equal or varying, without resolving these ambiguities.

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In halliday physics book when we are going to derive the speed or the equation of a wave we consider the tension of the string to be same along the string, but when we are going to derive the energy transferred by the string we consider the tension to be maximum in nodes and minimum in antinodes, what is the reason? Am I making some mistakes?
 
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The tension is constant in a stationary string. It varies inside the wave.
 
Every point in a wave is moving, so it is not stationary, as a result the tension is not same at different points. so why does halliday have considered the tension in a wave same for calculating the wave speed?
 
No, what I meant was that the still areas of the wire in front of and behind the wave are at a constant tension. You need to know this tension to know the tension in the wave (it is additive).
 
Thanx, but it seems that I couldn't explain what I meant. Let me explain with attached picture (pls. see it). In halliday book the 1st picture is used for deriving the speed of a wave, he has considered the specified two tensions (which are shown with F) to be equal.
The 2nd picture has been used for deriving the general equation of a wave; Halliday has considered the specified two tensions (which are shown with F) to be equal, just like the previous part.
Well, here (3rd picture) the problem comes in; Halliday has explained that the tension in part one is not equal with the tension in part two, as a result the potential energies differ from each other.
Now I have mixed up completely, really I don’t know where the tensions are equal and where they aren't.
 

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