How Does a Magnetic Field Possess Angular Momentum?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of angular momentum in magnetic fields, particularly in the context of Feynman's explanation regarding the interaction between a magnet and a conductive disk. Participants explore the implications of induced currents and the conservation of angular momentum in non-isolated systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how a magnetic field can possess angular momentum, noting that the field lines would curl in the same direction as the disk's spin.
  • Another participant suggests that the induced current creates a force opposing the magnet's movement, implying that the system is not isolated and thus conservation laws may not apply.
  • A different participant introduces the concept of "back EMF" as a relevant phenomenon that may explain the relationship between the magnetic field and the induced motion.
  • It is noted that electromagnetic fields carry both energy and momentum, with a momentum density field aligned with the Poynting vector, indicating that angular momentum can exist in the fields.
  • A participant references various papers discussing the controversial nature of classical explanations regarding the momentum and angular momentum of static electric and magnetic fields, highlighting ongoing debates in the field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of angular momentum in magnetic fields and the implications of induced currents, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

Some participants point out that classical explanations may require assumptions about static fields having non-zero momentum and angular momentum, leading to discussions about "hidden" momentum in material bodies.

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I was reading Feynman's "Character of Physical Law" and in it he discusses how conservation of angular momentum is seemingly broken when you take a magnet and bring it through the center of a conductive disk... there is an induced electrical current and if the disk was on wheels it would spin... angular momentum from nothing... after that he says that the angular momentum actually is conserved because the magnetic field has an angular momentum of opposite spin... I didn't get this explanation, the magnetic field lines would curl in the same direction as the disk's spin right? how can a field have an angular momentum?
 
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My guess would be that by bringing the magnet through the disk, a current is induced so that a force acts against the movement of the magnet. Moving the magnet through the disk thus involves some work against this force, and the system is therefore not isolated. Laws of conservation usually presuppose an isolated system, and thus do not apply here.

As I said, it is only my guess, though it might prove equivalent to the explanation you quote.
 
I suppose that the phenomenon Feynman was referring to has to do with "back EMF," which in the case of a motor may maintain the relative rotation between its armature and the magnetic field driving it.
 
E-M fields carry both energy and momentum. The momentum density field points in the same direction as the Poynting vector (E cross H), and there can be angular momentum in the fields as well.

David Griffiths has some great examples in his Intro to Electrodynamics if you have access to that.
 
SpitfireAce said:
I was reading Feynman's "Character of Physical Law" and in it he discusses how conservation of angular momentum is seemingly broken when you take a magnet and bring it through the center of a conductive disk... there is an induced electrical current and if the disk was on wheels it would spin... angular momentum from nothing... after that he says that the angular momentum actually is conserved because the magnetic field has an angular momentum of opposite spin... I didn't get this explanation, the magnetic field lines would curl in the same direction as the disk's spin right? how can a field have an angular momentum?

There are lot of controversies in classical explanations of interactions between magnets and charges. For example, these explanations require that static electric and magnetic fields have non-zero momentum and angular momentum. Moreover, they lead to the notions of "hidden" linear and angular momentum in material bodies. Take a look at the following papers (and numerous references therein), where authors painfully try to make sense of these ideas:

S. Coleman, J. H. Van Vleck, "Origin of "hidden momentum" force on magnets", Phys. Rev. 171 (1968), 1370

W. H. Furry, "Examples of momentum distribution in the electromagnetic field and in matter", Am. J. Phys. 37 (1969), 621.

R. H. Romer, "Angular momentum of static electromagnetic fields", Am. J. Phys. 34 (1966), 772

G. Spavieri, G. T. Gillies, "Fundamental tests of electrodynamic theories: Conceptual investigations of the Trouton-Noble and hidden momentum effects", Nuovo Cim. B 118 (2003), 205.

Eugene.
 
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