Using KVL to Solve for Vo: Kirchoff's Voltage Law Homework"

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The discussion revolves around determining the output voltage (Vo) in a circuit using Kirchhoff's Voltage Law (KVL). Participants explore various methods to solve the problem, including potential divider concepts and current calculations.

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  • Homework-related, Technical explanation, Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using KVL but expresses uncertainty about how to start the solution.
  • Another participant mentions a potential divider across two resistors with a total potential difference of 6V and prompts for the voltage in the middle.
  • A participant requests clarification on the potential divider explanation, indicating confusion about the concept.
  • Calculating the current through the resistors and the voltage drop across the 6-ohm resistor is proposed as a method to find Vo.
  • One participant explains that the potential divider can be applied even when one end is not grounded, emphasizing the need to add a reference voltage (3.0V) to the calculations.
  • Another participant reiterates the potential divider explanation and provides calculations for voltage referenced to different points in the circuit, suggesting that the same answer can be obtained regardless of the reference point used.
  • A participant questions whether the potential divider is the only method to solve the problem, indicating that it has not been discussed in their coursework yet.
  • Another participant provides a calculation for the current through the resistors and derives Vo using this method, arriving at a different value for Vo.
  • One participant shares their calculation using the potential divider formula, resulting in a voltage of 5.25V.
  • A later reply presents a calculation for Vo using current values, yielding 4.5V, and expresses confidence in this method.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing methods and calculations for determining Vo, with no consensus on a single approach or final value. Multiple competing views remain regarding the application of potential dividers and current calculations.

Contextual Notes

Some participants have not yet covered potential dividers in their coursework, which may limit their understanding of the concept. There are also unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding reference points in the voltage calculations.

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Homework Statement



Determine Vo in the circuit below:

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Homework Equations



V1 +V2+V3+...Vn=0

The Attempt at a Solution



I think this should be solved using KVL, but I have no idea on where to exactly start.

By looking at the problem, I am thinking it will be 6.0V because 9.0V-3.0V=6.0V,
but don't think that's right.

Any help would be greatly appreciated
 
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Realise that you've got a potential divider across the two resistors, with an overall p.d. of 6V. 6V split in 6:2... so what's the voltage in the middle?
 
genneth said:
Realise that you've got a potential divider across the two resistors, with an overall p.d. of 6V. 6V split in 6:2... so what's the voltage in the middle?

Im kind of lost on what you just said, could you elaborate a little?

Andrew
 
Calculate the current through the two resistors and then the voltage drop across the 6 ohm resistor.
 
Potential divider...

Well, what you have is two resistors in series, which is a potential divider.
In this case one end of the divider is not attached to the "ground", but to some other voltage. You can apply usual potential divider equations, just remember to add your reference voltage (3.0V) to it.

The difference between voltages at ends of the divider is 6V.

Voltage in the middle, referenced to 3V (right end of the divider) is

[tex]V_{m(3V)}=6V\frac{2.0\Omega}{6.0\Omega+2.0\Omega}=1.5V[/tex]

This is referenced to the right end of the divider. If you want it referenced to "ground", i.e. the [tex]V_o[/tex] voltage, just add 3V to it.

You can also reference everything to 9V. Then the divider is powered from -6V, and

[tex]V_{m(9V)}=-6V\frac{6.0\Omega}{6.0\Omega+2.0\Omega}=-4.5V[/tex]

This is referenced to the left end of the divider. To reference it to "ground", add 9V to it.

You will obtain the same answer either way.

The resistive divider "equation" I've used above can be derived from Ohm's and Kirchhof's laws.
 
kuba said:
Well, what you have is two resistors in series, which is a potential divider.
In this case one end of the divider is not attached to the "ground", but to some other voltage. You can apply usual potential divider equations, just remember to add your reference voltage (3.0V) to it.

The difference between voltages at ends of the divider is 6V.

Voltage in the middle, referenced to 3V (right end of the divider) is

[tex]V_{m(3V)}=6V\frac{2.0\Omega}{6.0\Omega+2.0\Omega}=1.5V[/tex]

This is referenced to the right end of the divider. If you want it referenced to "ground", i.e. the [tex]V_o[/tex] voltage, just add 3V to it.

You can also reference everything to 9V. Then the divider is powered from -6V, and

[tex]V_{m(9V)}=-6V\frac{6.0\Omega}{6.0\Omega+2.0\Omega}=-4.5V[/tex]

This is referenced to the left end of the divider. To reference it to "ground", add 9V to it.

You will obtain the same answer either way.

The resistive divider "equation" I've used above can be derived from Ohm's and Kirchhof's laws.

Thanks for the replies! My only question is that we havnet discussed potential dividers yet. Is this the only way of doing this or is it possible in some other way?
 
tanky322 said:
Thanks for the replies! My only question is that we havnet discussed potential dividers yet. Is this the only way of doing this or is it possible in some other way?

As I said in my previous post, calculate the current through the 2 resistors:
[tex]i = \frac {9-3}{6 + 2}[/tex]
The voltage is:
[tex]V_0 = 9 - 6 i[/tex]
 
So using the potential divider formula, this is what I came to:

Vo=(V1(R2/(R1+R2))+V2

Plugging that in it gives me 5.25V.
 
CEL said:
As I said in my previous post, calculate the current through the 2 resistors:
[tex]i = \frac {9-3}{6 + 2}[/tex]
The voltage is:
[tex]V_0 = 9 - 6 i[/tex]


Doing it this way I get i=6/8=.75A
Vo=9-6(.75)=4.5V

Im thinking that this way is correct.

Thanks! Sorry I didnt even notice your post.
 

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