30V to more Volts/less current, making homemade lightning

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of creating a homemade device that can generate high voltage, akin to lightning, starting from a 30 Volt DC battery. Participants explore methods to convert low voltage to high voltage while considering current levels, and they discuss various devices and components that could be used in this process.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether it is possible to create a high voltage stream of electrons at home using a 30 Volt battery.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need to clarify the type of lighting device intended for use, noting that power remains constant regardless of voltage and current levels.
  • A participant suggests using a power supply to step up the DC voltage, describing a method involving a transistor to convert DC to AC and then using a coil to increase voltage.
  • There is a suggestion to consider using automotive headlights with a 14V battery, proposing that they could be wired in series to utilize the 30V without additional components.
  • One participant points out the importance of the battery's ampere-hour rating to understand how long it can power a device.
  • Another participant clarifies that the original inquiry was about generating lightning, not lighting, and recommends using a switch-mode boost converter.
  • A further suggestion includes using a static generator or a Tesla coil as alternative methods to achieve high voltage.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the methods to achieve high voltage, with some proposing specific devices and others discussing the principles of power and voltage conversion. No consensus is reached on the best approach, and multiple competing ideas are presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not fully agree on the technical specifics of the devices or methods discussed, and there are assumptions about the feasibility and safety of creating high voltage at home that remain unexamined.

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If lighting is just a high voltage (not necessarily high current) stream of electrons, would it be possible to make something like that at home? (i.e. 30 volts DC ?)

how do I convert my 30 Volt battery into something with more voltage and less current?
Will a transistor help, and what kind? ( i will be using 14, and 30 Volts batteries)
Thanks, hopefully i get help :wink:
 
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Peter, first describe what type of lighting device you wish to use. If its a regular incandesant bulb (like a 60W bulb) or fluorescent bulb pair (like in an office) or a low-voltage halogen. Need to figure out the total power requirements.

Second, power is power regardless of if you have low voltage high current or high voltage low current. Power = voltage * current for electricity like power = torque * rpm for a gearbox. Your car doesn't have any more power in first gear than high gear, but because the tire revs are lower in first gear the torque is much higher for the same power.

Third, you need a 'power supply' of some kind to step up a DC voltage from a battery. Basically you take the DC and with a transistor switching on/off rapidly turn it into AC, then run it into a coil of wire to convert it to magnetic energy, and then convert that to a higher voltage. Easy way to get this all done would be to buy an off the shelf 12V DC to 110V AC inverter at a store designed for use in a car or RV. A car's alternator runs at 14V while the engine is on, so a 14V battery should be ok.

Fourth, you may want to re-think the design objectives. You want light and without any extra parts a 55W automotive headlight or those off-road lights (spot and wide-angle) will work fine on a 14V battery. Wire two matched lights in series, and now they can run off the 30V without any extra parts, the extra voltage should make them just slightly brighter and shouldn't shorten the life too much.

Lastly, how much battery you got? You can look at the Ah rating (ampere-hour rating) to get an idea how much power the battery can deliver and for how long it can deliver it. For example, a 14V battery with a 3Ah rating could run a single 55W headlight for about an hour when the battery is brand new. A pair of headlights would likely last close to 15 minutes, note how the increased current shortens the time considerably as the battery can only deliver so much power and its life drops dramatically as you try to draw large amounts of power from it.

HTH,
Cliff
 
Cliff,

I think he's talking about lightning, not lighting.

You'll need to use a switch-mode boost converter like the one that Cliff mentioned to make high voltages from low ones.

- Warren
 
yes, sorry, stupid mistake
 
LOL, thanks Warren, one letter makes a big difference, guess I read the message and not the subject!

Peter, LOTS of voltage. Another option might be a static generator like the one with a rubber belt that rubs against different materials. Or a telsa coil. I did a quick search on google and this was the second link:
http://www.geocities.com/transactoid/tesla.html

Cliff
 

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