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crazy_shoes
Sep26-07, 05:06 PM
I'm having terrible difficulty starting this problem, it's one of the chapter excercises in the book and it's revisited in the homework later on. I'm going to give different data, as I would like to actually solve this one myself, I just need a kick start...

1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
We've got an object moving in a plane, no velocity is stated at all, just that it's moving. It's mass is 6.00 kg and it's coordinates are given by 2 equations, x = 4t^2 - 1 and y = 2t^3 + 6. They are asking what the net force acting on this object is at time t = 5.00s.


2. Relevant equations
I know somewhere in there I'm going to use kinematic equations. I started by trying to find \Delta X and \Delta Y...



Thanks to anyone who can point me in the right direction!

Avodyne
Sep26-07, 06:06 PM
It's in a plane, so position, velocity, acceleration, and force are all vectors with x and y components. The position vector is (x,y)=(4t2-1,2t3+6). Can you find the velocity vector? (How is velocity related to position?) Then, can you find the acceleration vector? Then, can you find the force vector?

crazy_shoes
Sep26-07, 06:43 PM
Ah, that makes a lot of sense! Thank you so much! I was completely overlooking that.

Avodyne
Sep26-07, 06:55 PM
Glad to help.

crazy_shoes
Sep26-07, 07:33 PM
If I'm using position to get a velocity vector with the formula V_x_{avg} = \frac{\Delta x}{\Delta t}, can I use t = 0 for my t_i?

Avodyne
Sep26-07, 07:51 PM
You should be computing instantaneous velocity, not average velocity.

I assume this is a calculus-based course?

crazy_shoes
Sep26-07, 08:13 PM
For the formulas I have you still need \Delta x and \Delta t

v_x = lim_{\Delta t \rightarrow 0}\frac{\Delta x}{\Delta t}

...and yes, this is calculus based.

I feel like I've missed a lesson or missed something in class.

Avodyne
Sep26-07, 08:18 PM
That limit defines the derivative of x with respect to t. Given x as a simple function of t, say, x=t2, can you compute the derivative dx/dt ?

crazy_shoes
Sep26-07, 08:22 PM
OH! So it would be 2t then... If the function was in fact t^2.

meopemuk
Sep26-07, 08:38 PM
I'm having terrible difficulty starting this problem, it's one of the chapter excercises in the book and it's revisited in the homework later on. I'm going to give different data, as I would like to actually solve this one myself, I just need a kick start...

1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
We've got an object moving in a plane, no velocity is stated at all, just that it's moving. It's mass is 6.00 kg and it's coordinates are given by 2 equations, x = 4t^2 - 1 and y = 2t^3 + 6. They are asking what the net force acting on this object is at time t = 5.00s.


2. Relevant equations
I know somewhere in there I'm going to use kinematic equations. I started by trying to find \Delta X and \Delta Y...


You would need two formulas:

1. Newton's second law \mathbf{F} = m \mathbf{a} and
2. definition of components of the acceleration vector

a_x = d^2x(t)/dt^2
a_y = d^2y(t)/dt^2

Eugene

crazy_shoes
Sep26-07, 08:46 PM
So, if my position in the x direction is a function of time, like x=2t^2 the derivative of that is 4t which should be my velocity in the x direction. Then a second derivative should give me 4 and that should be my acceleration in the x direction. Am I on the right track?

meopemuk
Sep26-07, 08:51 PM
So, if my position in the x direction is a function of time, like x=2t^2 the derivative of that is 4t which should be my velocity in the x direction. Then a second derivative should give me 4 and that should be my acceleration in the x direction. Am I on the right track?

Yes, you got it.

Eugene.

crazy_shoes
Sep26-07, 10:48 PM
Thanks! It's much appreciated. Good thing I have a whole week to finish studying for my test!