Is the More Operator Correct for \langle x'|\hat{p} \hat{x} | x \rangle?

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The discussion revolves around the expression \(\langle x'|\hat{p} \hat{x} | x \rangle\) in quantum mechanics, specifically examining the validity of certain steps in manipulating operators and eigenstates. The subject area is quantum mechanics, focusing on operator algebra and the properties of position and momentum operators.

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  • The original poster attempts to analyze the manipulation of operators acting on eigenstates, questioning the validity of pulling out a c-number from an operator expression. They propose two different approaches to the problem and seek validation on their correctness.

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Some participants provide guidance on the manipulation of c-numbers and operators, indicating that the original poster's approach is valid. Others raise questions about the implications of operator commutation and the correctness of the derived expressions, suggesting that both approaches may yield consistent results under certain conditions.

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Participants note the importance of understanding the nature of operators in quantum mechanics, particularly how linearity affects their interaction with c-numbers. There is also mention of potential missing factors in the expressions discussed.

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Consider
[tex]\langle x'|\hat{p} \hat{x} | x \rangle[/tex].
Are these steps correct?
1. [tex]\hat{x}[/tex] operates on the x eigenstate to get
[tex]\langle x'|\hat{p} x | x \rangle[/tex].
2. x is a c-number so can be pulled out to get
[tex]x \langle x'|\hat{p} | x \rangle[/tex].
3. [tex]x \langle x'|\hat{p} | x \rangle = x \frac{\partial}{\partial x'}\delta (x'-x)[/tex]

The part I'm most wary on is 2 where I pulled x out. It seems like the p operator is acting on it so I shouln't be able to do that.

Alternatively, could I do the following:
1. have p operate on [tex]\hat{x}[/tex] first to get
[tex]\frac{\partial}{\partial x'}x' \delta (x'-x)[/tex]
2. Which becomes
[tex]\delta (x'-x) + x' \delta'(x'-x)[/tex]

Is one of these two routes incorrect?
 
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BeauGeste said:
2. x is a c-number so can be pulled out

Yes, you can do that. Operators do not act on c-numbers.

Eugene.
 
Both are correct (except you dropped a factor of -i*hbar in line 3, but you also dropped it in the 2nd part). You can check that your two final expressions are equal by integrating them against a test funtion of either x or x'.
 
Won't you get the same thing for
[tex]\langle x'|\hat{x} \hat{p} | x \rangle[/tex]
though? That would imply the two operators commute.
 
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BeauGeste said:
The part I'm most wary on is 2 where I pulled x out. It seems like the p operator is acting on it so I shouln't be able to do that.
It's not a problem because [itex]\hat{p}[/itex] is not a differential operator: [itex]\hat{p}[/itex] is a linear operator acting on states. Because it's linear, it commutes with all complex numbers.


[itex]\hat{p}[/itex] only turns into a differential operator when everything's written out in the position representation -- in that case, you would have

[tex] \langle x' | \hat{p} \hat{x} | x \rangle<br /> =<br /> \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} \delta(x' - \xi) \left(-i \hbar \frac{\partial}{\partial \xi} \right)<br /> \xi \delta(x - \xi) \, d\xi[/tex]

and now it's differently obvious, since x clearly commutes with [itex]\partial / \partial \xi[/itex].
 
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