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fbsthreads
Apr13-04, 01:39 PM
has anything been written about the idea that light may always be measured as C, becuase that is the only speed at which it is detectable.

eg, photons go slower - we can't detect them
photons go faster - we can't detect them

photons go at c, we can see and detect them.

in what ways has this idea been dismissed,

cheers.

arildno
Apr13-04, 01:53 PM
In general, I believe physicists to be very reluctant to assume the existence of unobservables (for example particles which are in principle unobservable/undetectable).

Kurdt
Apr13-04, 06:01 PM
Its more of a question of philosophy I believe anyway. Do things exist if we can't detect that they exist? Maybe a more important question is do they matter if we can't detect them? Or it may simply be that we have not discovered the means of detecting a certain phenomena yet, such as when the existance of light beyond both extremes of the visible was first discovered.

brookstimtimtim
Apr13-04, 09:56 PM
Do they matter if we can't detect them? Yes, There are more questions than answers in all of sciences. To get answers we need to learn as much as posible and observer all we can. I think that too many people working in sciences dismiss things that they don't understand reather than investigate them.

Janitor
Apr13-04, 10:18 PM
As I understand it, virtual photons are not restricted to speed c. This is important in using quantum electrodynamics to calculate things such as the scattering of an electron off of another electron. If the calculation was restricted to keeping virtual photons at speed c, the result would not match experiment.

russ_watters
Apr14-04, 01:00 PM
Do they matter if we can't detect them? Yes, There are more questions than answers in all of sciences. To get answers we need to learn as much as posible and observer all we can. I think that too many people working in sciences dismiss things that they don't understand reather than investigate them. If can't detect them, why do they matter? Any examples of questions an undetectable particle could answer?

To avoid the inevitable: we're not talking about technology here (ie, we may eventually figure out how to detect it), we're talking about something that by its nature is completely undetectable.