Question Regarding electric field

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of dipole moments in polar molecules, particularly whether a dipole moment exists in the absence of an external electric field. Participants explore definitions, implications, and related phenomena such as magnetic moments in ferromagnetic materials.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that dipole moments exist in polar molecules even without an external electric field.
  • One participant questions the definition of dipole moment and whether it necessitates the presence of an external field for its definition.
  • A participant raises a separate question regarding the alignment of magnetic moments in ferromagnetic materials, suggesting a connection to the broader topic of moments.
  • Another participant reiterates that permanent dipole moments do not require an external electric field, providing examples of polar molecules such as alkali halides.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of an external electric field for defining dipole moments, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Definitions of dipole moments and the conditions under which they are considered may vary among participants, leading to potential misunderstandings. The relationship between dipole moments and external fields is not fully clarified.

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In polar molecules, dipole moment exists even in the absence of an external electric field.

please tell me it is true or false
 
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what is your definition of a dipole moment? does this defn include an external field as an variable? you may need a field to detect a presence of a moment but do u need it to define it in the first place? You need to think about these issues...
 
Why do magnetic moments arising due to spins of ferromagnetic materials, tend to align parallel to each other?
 
harishjee.com said:
In polar molecules, dipole moment exists even in the absence of an external electric field.
Yes. That's why they're called polar molecules!
 
can u understand me about dipole moment with or without electric field.
 
harishjee.com said:
can u understand me about dipole moment with or without electric field.
Yes. Did you understand my answer? A permanent dipole moment does not require an external electric field. Examples of highly polar molecules would be the alkali halides.
 

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