Directional Forces: Valid Concepts in Physics?

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The discussion revolves around the validity of the concepts "direction of force" and "plane of application" in mechanical physics. Participants explore whether these terms are established in the field or if they are newly coined, with a focus on their definitions and implications in physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that "direction of force" is a fundamental concept in mechanical physics, referencing Newton's second law and the vector nature of force.
  • Others express uncertainty about the term "plane of application," with one participant suggesting it may not be a widely recognized concept in physics.
  • A participant proposes that the plane of application could be defined as perpendicular to the direction of force, but questions whether this is always applicable.
  • Another participant emphasizes that forces have both magnitude and direction, and introduces the idea that a plane of application might imply a stress rather than a force.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of the direction of force, but there is disagreement and uncertainty regarding the concept of the plane of application, with no consensus on its validity or definition.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the definitions and implications of the terms may depend on context, and there is a lack of clarity regarding the established usage of "plane of application" in the literature.

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Are "direction of force" and "plane of application" valid concepts in mechanical physics, or are these terms I've made up?

Just from the terms alone I'd assume that plane of application is perpendicular to direction of force. But I wonder if that's always the case.
 
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… force is a vector …

Hi Dave! :smile:

"direction of force" is certainly essential in mechanical physics - Newton's second law (which is about as fundamental as you can get!) says applied force = (rate of change of) momentum, and momentum certainly has a direction.

The direction is as much an essential part of any force as it is of any velocity, or of any momentum or acceleration! :smile:

In mathematical terms, force is a vector (and so, like velocity, momentum, or acceleration, obeys the vector "law of addition").

"plane of application" …? … I haven't come across. :confused:
 
DaveC426913 said:
Are "direction of force" and "plane of application" valid concepts in mechanical physics, or are these terms I've made up?

Just from the terms alone I'd assume that plane of application is perpendicular to direction of force. But I wonder if that's always the case.

Sounds about right to me. You can use whatever definition you want as long as you state what you mean by it.
 
Well, this is going into a school science book, so I want to ensure I use legitimate concepts.
 
If you want to be super picky about it, forces have a magnitude and a direction.

They are distributed on a differential area normally and tangentially. As the differential area collapses the differential force acts on a point.

A plane of application would imply a stress, not a force.
 
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