Is it time to revamp the UN's operations and governing structure?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effectiveness and governance of the United Nations (UN), exploring whether it should be revamped or replaced. Participants examine the operational structure, membership criteria, and the potential establishment of alternative organizations focused on democratic governance.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that the UN has become untrustworthy and ineffective, suggesting that it should adopt business practices and transparency measures.
  • There are proposals to limit voting rights in the UN to democratically elected governments, with suggestions that non-democratic nations should not have a vote in the General Assembly.
  • Others propose the creation of a new organization, "The Union of Elected Government," to coexist with the UN, emphasizing the benefits of limiting membership to republics for efficiency and cooperation.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the feasibility of reorganizing the UN, advocating instead for a completely new structure.
  • Concerns are raised about the influence of major powers, such as China, on the UN's operations and governance.
  • There is a suggestion that the UN's effectiveness is hindered by the lack of support from the world's superpower and the internal issues that arise in large organizations.
  • Participants discuss the potential integration of NATO with a new organization focused on democracies, proposing the establishment of a standing military or police force.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the UN is not effective, but there is no consensus on whether it should be revamped, replaced, or maintained with modifications. Multiple competing views on governance structures and membership criteria remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the implications of limiting membership to republics and the potential impact on global governance. There are also unresolved questions regarding the integration of existing organizations and the practicalities of implementing proposed changes.

GENIERE
The UN has ceased to be useful, if it ever was. It was at least tolerable, but now known to be completely untrustworthy. To maintain its somewhat useful functions its operations must be altered to incorporate good business practices. Its books must be always open to public scrutiny. Its operations must be efficient, business like, and competitive. Each of its operations i.e., world health, must be duplicated by a competitive operation which will compete for funding. The most efficient operation will receive the greater funding and increase its scope. Each will have a board of directors, a CFO, and a CEO. The latter two positions will receive an income and perks competitive with private industry so as to attract the finest. They will be hired and fired based on success. The overall operation will be subject to the political constraints of the UN.

The governing of the UN must be drastically changed. No longer can any nation that does not elect its leaders via a democratic process have any vote in General Assembly. All nations can be members, request and receive needed aid, but must earn a voting privilege. The same should be the case in the Security Council, but it would be unrealistic to bar China from either a vote or a chair. The Syria’s and their ilk would disappear. The EU presents a special problem. It cannot act as a political unity and also be allowed to have several members seated on the Security Council.
 
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GENIERE said:
it would be unrealistic to bar China from either a vote or a chair. The Syria’s and their ilk would disappear.

And the French?
 
hughes johnson said:
And the French?

Is that really necessary? Geniere was making serious points.

I agree that the UN is not effective.

I would favor replacing it with an organization along the lines of "The Union of Elected Government". The UN already has so many member organizations and so many rules, that it seems that it would not work to try to reorganize it. This new organization, I think, shoud coexist with the UN, at least until it is mature enough to supplant it.

Limiting membership to republics has the following advantages:

1) Republics have much greater concern for welfare. This is probably due to both the types of government officials that representative governments yield and the nature of Western society. Third-world dictatorships would not be on the human rights commission.
2) Limiting the number of participants yields greater efficiency. Things can actually be done in a reasonable period of time.
3) Greater cooperation. The historical, cultural, and political closeness of republics will allow them to cooperate better.

I agree that all its dealings should be subject to stringent "sunshine" laws.

This organization should have its own standing military/police forces. Perhaps NATO could be integrated with it. There should be rules mandating emergency meetings and timely decisions when situations of civil war, genocide, etc. appear.
 
I think that is probably the reasoning behind creating "The Council for a Community of Democracies". As it gains strength, we may see it usurping the power of the United Nations.
 
kat said:
I think that is probably the reasoning behind creating "The Council for a Community of Democracies". As it gains strength, we may see it usurping the power of the United Nations.


Link me? I'm not aware of this
 
http://www.ccd21.org/
 
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A redo is a good idea...scrapping it entirely is silly, but fixing and tweaking is never a horrible plan.
 
Kat - Thanks for the link!

It is something I should have been aware of. Since it began during Clinton's watch, I may have summarily dismissed it.
 
I think the biggest problem with the UN is that the world's only superpower has failed to properly support it, and often even worked directly against it. The next biggest problem is that like any large organisation the scum rises to the top.
 

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