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ptex
Apr24-04, 02:24 PM
I need to find the explicit formuala for this recursive sequence.
a1 = 3
a2 = 7
an = 7an-1 - 10an-2
an - 7an-1 + 10an-2 = 0
tn - 7kn-1 + 10tn-2 = 0
t2 - 7t + 10 = 0
(t - 2)(t - 5)
(t = 2)(t = 5) :confused:
if that is right I can move on.

gnome
Apr24-04, 04:34 PM
Move on. :smile:

ptex
Apr24-04, 06:46 PM
Thank you I will go ahead and stop if I have more questions I will stop. Ok?

ptex
Apr25-04, 02:41 PM
Is this the formula?
an = 8/5(2)n - 1/15(5)n

gnome
Apr25-04, 02:55 PM
No. Probably just a mistake someplace in your algebra.

You know, you can check your solution by using the recurrence to determine the value of a3 and comparing that to the value generated by your formula.

ptex
Apr25-04, 03:14 PM
To find B;

2(4A + 25B = 7) = 8A + 50B = 14
4(2A + 5B = 3) = 8A + 20B = 12
30B = 2
B = 1/15

To find A;

2A + 5B = 3
2A + 1/5B = 3
10A + 1 = 15
10A = 16
A = 16/10
A = 8/5

A = 8/5 B= 1/15
?

gnome
Apr25-04, 03:41 PM
> 2A + 5B = 3
> 2A + 1/5B = 3 ......what is this? How did 5B become 1/5 B? You already know B. Plug it in to the first eqn & solve for A.

ptex
Apr25-04, 06:39 PM
B = 15 and A = 16?

gnome
Apr25-04, 07:06 PM
No.

This was correct:

2(4A + 25B = 7) = 8A + 50B = 14
4(2A + 5B = 3) = 8A + 20B = 12
30B = 2
B = 1/15


Now use this equation to find A :

2A + 5B = 3

ptex
Apr25-04, 07:22 PM
I think
a3 = 19

gnome
Apr25-04, 08:40 PM
You think?

You're supposed to know. :wink:

ptex
Apr25-04, 10:12 PM
Is A=1/2 if so
the formula would be an = 1/2(2n) - 1/15(5n)

gnome
Apr25-04, 10:23 PM
I don't understand what is confusing you.

You have already solved the simultaneous equations:
2(4A + 25B = 7) = 8A + 50B = 14
4(2A + 5B = 3) = 8A + 20B = 12
30B = 2
B = 1/15
so you know that B=1/15.

So now take one of your original equations (either one) and solve for A. Show me what you're doing, step by step.

ptex
Apr25-04, 10:31 PM
woops2A + 5B = 3
2A + 5(1/15) = 3
2A + 1 /3 = 3
2A = 3 1/3
A = 3 1/3 / 2
A = 5/3

gnome
Apr25-04, 10:40 PM
B =\frac{1}{15}

ptex
Apr25-04, 10:56 PM
2a + 5b = 3
2a + 5(1/15) = 3
2a + 1 /3 = 3
2a = 3 1/3
A = 3 1/3 / 2
A = 5/3

gnome
Apr25-04, 10:59 PM
2a + 5b = 3
2a + 5(1/15) = 3
2a + 1 /3 = 3
2a = 3 1/3 <<<<check this again
A = 3 1/3 / 2
A = 5/3

ptex
Apr25-04, 11:31 PM
2a + 5b = 3
2a + 5(1/15) = 3
2a + 1 /3 = 3
2a = 10/3
A = 10/3 / 2
A = 5/3

gnome
Apr25-04, 11:36 PM
2a + 5b = 3
2a + 5(1/15) = 3
2a + 1 /3 = 3
.....- 1/3 = -1/3
2a = 8/3
A = 4/3

ptex
Apr25-04, 11:42 PM
Thank you
the 1/3 turns negitive? then ?

gnome
Apr26-04, 12:11 AM
The 1/3 doesn't turn negative. You subtract 1/3 from both sides of the equation. Then you divide both sides of the equation by 2. Then the equation is solved. A = 4/3.

So, you've never studied algebra and yet you are interested in solving linear homogeneous recurrence relations with constant coefficients. Very interesting.

ptex
Apr26-04, 12:24 AM
The last time I took algebra was 10 years ago. This class Discrete Mathematics is a requirerment for my degree (all I want to do is write code). Yeah I know its a long time to get a degree but I have a bit of a skiing career so I can't go to school during the winter. Anyway thank you very much now I must move on to the second problem and try to recall algebra which by the seems more defficult then some of this stuff.