Understanding Kinematics: Uniformly Accelerated Motion Equation Explained

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the equations of motion for uniformly accelerated motion, specifically addressing the derivation and application of these equations. Participants explore the relationships between distance, velocity, and acceleration, and how to correctly apply these equations in different contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the equations for uniform velocity and uniformly accelerated motion, expressing confusion about the derivation leading to an incorrect equation for distance.
  • Another participant clarifies that the final velocity in the equation for uniformly accelerated motion should be replaced with average speed when applying it to the equation for uniform motion.
  • A third participant expresses appreciation for the clarification provided regarding the use of average speed.
  • A different participant emphasizes that the equation for final velocity should not be directly substituted into the distance equation, as velocity changes continuously during acceleration.
  • This participant suggests a more general approach to calculating distance by integrating velocity over time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct application of the equations, with multiple competing views on how to properly derive the distance equation for uniformly accelerated motion.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of velocity and acceleration, as well as the conditions under which the equations are applied. The discussion highlights the need for careful consideration of average versus instantaneous values in kinematic equations.

LuGoBi
Well, I think this one is pretty simple, but still, I don't know how to solve it.

We all know that for uniform velocity in a straight line the following equation sets the relationship between time and distance traveled: S = So + Vt (Eq. 1)

When it comes to uniformly accelerated motion, the only difference is that the velocity is changing constantly, according to the following equation: V = Vo + at (Eq. 2)

Now, if you insert Eq. 2 in Eq. 1 you get: S = So + Vot + at^2 (Eq. 3)

But we all know the correct equation is S = So + Vot + at^2/2! Besides, the second derivative of Eq. 3 is 2a, when the correct one is, by definition, a, obviously. So it's clearly wrong. What's the deal with this?
 
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In Eq. 2, V stands for the final speed after some time. To use it in Eq. 1, you'd have to replace V by the average speed, since that equation only applies for constant speed (or average speed). Since the acceleration is uniform, the average speed is just (Vo + Vf)/2 = (Vo + Vo + at)/2 = Vo + at/2. Plug that into Eq. 1 and see what happens.
 
Damn it, that's beautiful. Thank you very much.
 
The reason for the wrong answer is that ;
v = u + at is equation to find final velocity in constant acceleration, and you are putting this final velocity in 2nd equation (BUT VELOCITY IS CHANGING AT EVERY POINT)

SO,YOUR EQUATION MODIFIES AS:-

S = So + v1t1 + v2t2 + ...(where t1 + t2 +...= t)

so,in general,u MUST USE,

dS = v.dt
 

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