Three dimensional torque questions

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The discussion revolves around understanding torque in three dimensions, particularly in scenarios involving a plank with a third dimension and a pirate walking on it. Participants explore how the geometry and positioning affect torque calculations, moving beyond simple two-dimensional cases.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to approach torque problems in three dimensions, using a specific example involving a plank and a pirate.
  • Another participant suggests that if the plank is symmetrical about its center of gravity and perpendicular to the force of gravity, the thickness may not influence the torque.
  • A subsequent reply clarifies that the thickness of the plank is not the main concern for the original question.
  • A further contribution discusses the implications of forces acting around different axes, noting that torque can be calculated around both x and y axes if the plank is supported at a point.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relevance of the plank's thickness and the complexity of torque calculations in three dimensions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific effects of geometry on torque.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not fully agree on the implications of the plank's geometry, and there are assumptions about the nature of forces acting on the plank that are not explicitly detailed.

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how would you do torque problems, except in three dimensions?

my knowledge is limited to basically planks or other bars that can be considered to be two d.

for example, a 6m, 10kg plank has 2 meters hanging off the side of the pirate ship. how far does the 50kg pirate have to walk from the side of the ship to fall into the water?

well that's simple.

but now let's assume that the plank has a third dimension. let's say it's a square with a certain depth. what if he's walkign closer to one edge than the other?

if we're looking at this situation from above.

the square contains the points (3,3), (-3,3), (-3,-3), and (3, -3). the center of mass is at the origin. the ship's edge is along the line x=1. the pirate is walking along the line y=-2.

how does that affect how far he has to walk?

this isn't homework. just general curiosity. :)
 
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Just intuitively, I would think that if the plank has symmetry about its CG and it is perpendicular to the normal force of gravity, its "thickness" won't matter.
 
true, but that wasn't what i was wondering about either way. i shouldn't've mentioned thickness. it's besides the point... sorry about that
 
Statics. Say you are still dealing with a force straight down. That keeps it easy.
In your example the force can only act around x=1 no matter where you place the force along Y. But if the plank were only supported at a point (1,1) then your force can act around x=1 and y=1. So, you have torque or a moment around both.
 

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