Evaluating Electric Field at a Distance of z >> R

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The discussion revolves around evaluating an electric field expression in the z-direction, specifically for the case where the distance z is much greater than a radius R. The original poster presents the electric field formula and seeks clarification on how to approach the evaluation under the given condition.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the possibility of simplifying the expression by taking limits or using Taylor expansion. Questions arise about the method for evaluating expressions when one variable is significantly larger than another.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the Taylor series expansion and its application to the problem. Some participants have provided insights into manipulating the expression, while others are seeking further clarification on the steps and motivations behind them.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of approximating expressions and the implications of the limit z >> R. There is mention of potential missing factors in the calculations, indicating a need for careful consideration of each step in the evaluation process.

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[SOLVED] Evaluating electric field

Homework Statement


I have an electric field in the z-direction given by: (where sigma is charge per area and z is a distance)

[tex] {\bf{E}} = \frac{{\sigma z}}{{2\pi \varepsilon _0 }}\left( {\frac{1}{z} - \frac{1}{{\sqrt {R^2 + z^2 } }}} \right){\bf{z}}[/tex]

I have to evaluate this for z >> R.

The Attempt at a Solution



Do I just insert R=0 or what? I overheard someone talk about Taylor-expanding it, but I don't see how/why?
 
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Take a factor [itex]z^2[/itex] out of the [itex]R^2 + z^2[/itex] term.
 
Thanks, but why?

What is the method when I am asked to evalute an expression for some variable >> some other variable?
 
Niles said:
Thanks, but why?

What is the method when I am asked to evalute an expression for some variable >> some other variable?

After you do it, I'll give the motivation for the step.
 
I get 1/R instead of 1/sqrt(R^2+z^2).
 
Niles said:
I get 1/R instead of 1/sqrt(R^2+z^2).

I was looking for

[tex]R^2 + z^2 = z^2 \left( \frac{R^2}{z^2} + 1 \right).[/tex]

What can you say about the first term inside the brackets?
 
It goes to 0 if z >> R.
 
Niles said:
It goes to 0 if z >> R.

Right.

Now you something of the form

[tex]\left( 1 + a \right)^{-1/2},[/tex]

with [itex]|a| << 1.[/itex]

Can you write down the Taylor series expansion of the above expression?
 
I think I get:

1-x/2 - the first two orders. How does that sound?
 
  • #10
Niles said:
I think I get:

1-x/2 - the first two orders. How does that sound?

Yes.

Now use all this in the original expression.
 
  • #11
Then I get:

1/z - (1-z/2).

This is for inside the brackets. Then I multiply out and finish?
 
  • #12
What is the motivation for the step?
 
  • #13
Niles said:
Then I get:

1/z - (1-z/2).

This is for inside the brackets. Then I multiply out and finish?

Not quite. Recall that the "x" in your earlier equation is actually R/z.
Also, you have lost a factor of [tex]z^2[/tex] somewhere (the one that appears outside the brackets on the right-hand-side in George's post #6).
 
  • #14
Niles said:
What is the motivation for the step?

The motivation is to get something other than zero when you approximate this part of the expression:

[tex] \left( {\frac{1}{z} - \frac{1}{{\sqrt {R^2 + z^2 } }}} \right)[/tex]
 
  • #15
Cool, I get it now. Thanks for being so kind.
 

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