Deceptively cunning integral

[FunkyDwarf]

Well either that or im missing something obvious =)
I need to integrate 1/sqrt(u^2)

Now i cant just apply the square root because then i lose all information about the minus values. Ive tried various substitutions, trig ones seem to make it worse and ive run the integral in mathematica and it returns an answer that i agree with and fits with what im trying to do but im not sure how to get it :S

Im sure its something simple that my tired caffeine saturated brain is missing, so be gentle with me :P

Cheers
-G

[quasar987]

Well, sqrt(u^2)=|u|.

[uman]

isn't this just the same as |\frac{1}{u}|?

Edit: quasar beat me to it :-)

[tiny-tim]

Hi G! :smile:

Integrate from -∞ to 0, and integrate separately from 0 to +∞, and add! :smile:

[HallsofIvy]

Hi G! :smile:

Integrate from -∞ to 0, and integrate separately from 0 to +∞, and add! :smile:
That's going to be rather difficult to do! :smile:

[tiny-tim]

oah … aah …
:rolleyes: maybe not 0 :rolleyes:

[FunkyDwarf]

no i understand its the magnitude its just mathematica gives a result of u Ln(u) /sqrt(u^2) and i dunno how to get that. Its been a while since i did methods of integration, as you can probably tell :P

EDIT: By the way we know that u itself is always negative and im integrating from x0 to zero. Its to show that a particle in a certain potential will take forever to fall in basically so i need either a 1/u term somewhere or log[u] (not Abs(u))

[ehj]

Well IF u is always negative, as you mentioned, then 1/sqrt(u^2) = 1/|u| = 1/(-u) cant you just integrate that? and get -ln|u|

[FunkyDwarf]

Yes but the only problem being i should get the same answer for u always positive. Basically im applying boundary conditions too soon i think, im supposed to show that it is always negative from the integral. im not sure what im allowed to assume, have a tute with lecturer tomorrow will ask then.

Thanks for your help guys

[Count Iblis]

You can also add an infitessimal imaginary term to the denominator:

\frac{1}{|x|} \longrightarrow \frac{1}{|x + i\epsilon|}=\frac{1}{\sqrt{x^2 + \epsilon^{2}}}

This is easy to integrate. You can let the \epsilon tend to zero at the end of the calculations.

[HallsofIvy]

no i understand its the magnitude its just mathematica gives a result of u Ln(u) /sqrt(u^2) and i dunno how to get that. Its been a while since i did methods of integration, as you can probably tell :P

EDIT: By the way we know that u itself is always negative and im integrating from x0 to zero. Its to show that a particle in a certain potential will take forever to fall in basically so i need either a 1/u term somewhere or log[u] (not Abs(u))

I don't know why Mathematica is avoiding |u|. Again, sqrt(u^2)= |u| and u/|u|= 1 if u is positive, -1 if u is negative (and is undefined at u= 0). What mathematica is telling you is that the integral is ln(u) if u is positive and -ln(|u|)= -ln(-u) if u is negative.

That's true because your integral reduces to \int du/u= ln(|u|)= ln(u)[itex] if u is positive and [itex]-\int du/u= -ln(|u|)= -ln(-u) if u is negative.

("+ C" of course)

If you are integrating from x0 to 0, the (improper) integral does not exist.

[Count Iblis]

Sometimes you need to tell Mathematica to "Simplify", to "FullSimplify, to "FunctionExpand", to "PowerExpand" etc. etc. :approve:

[FunkyDwarf]

Yeh no i could see it wasnt simplified, just thought maybe there was a catch i was missing. Ok guys seems i was reading too much into it :P thanks !