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The_ArtofScience
Jun19-08, 08:31 PM
1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
Prove that lim n--> infinity a_n{b}_n=AB from the definition of a limit.
3. The attempt at a solution
I'm not sure how to begin this other than using the identity given that the absolute value of a function minus its L is less than some value e. I'm thinking that e would eventually have to split into halves and then added to e. Other than that, my attempts at trying to prove it (or understand it) haven't really lead me anywhere
HallsofIvy
Jun20-08, 06:01 AM
That sounds like a pretty good way! You will want to use the fact that
|a_nb_n- AB|= |a_nb_n- a_nB+ a_nB- AB|\le |a_n||b_n-B|+ |B||a_n-B|
That first term is a little tricky!
The_ArtofScience
Jun20-08, 10:59 PM
Thanks for the help HallsofIvy,
I understand what you did there but I'm still curious if I also need to do another step in the proof where I have to show that its bounded? a_subn is less than some value epsilon plus \left|A\right|. I'm thinking that its limit should be between \left|A\right|+e and \left|A\right|. If that's true then b_subn should also have that condition....Please correct me if I'm wrong
HallsofIvy
Jun21-08, 09:07 AM
Yes, that was my point in "That first term is a little tricky!"
To show that sum is "< \epsilon" you want to be able to make each part less than \epsilon/2". Since |B| is a fixed number, you just need to make |a_n- A|< \epsilon/2|B|. Since |a_n depends on n, you cannot just make |b_n-B|< \epsilon/2a_n. Do just as you say: use the fact that {a_n} is bounded: for large enough n, A-1< a_n< A+ 1.
The_ArtofScience
Jun22-08, 03:30 AM
Where did you get the 1 from? Sorry I'm not understanding that part
From your answer, the absolute value of b_subn - B must then be less than e/2(\left|A\right|+1)
HallsofIvy
Jun22-08, 08:57 AM
I used "1" because it is easy! Any specific number would do. Since a_n goes to A, given any \epsilon>0, for "large enough n" (i.e, there exist N such that if n> N...) |a_n- A|< \epsilon. Just take \epsilon= 1 and that |a_n- A|< 1 so -1< a_n-A< 1 or A-1< a_n< A+1. Since both of those are less than or equal to |A|+ 1, you no know that for n> N, |a_n|< A+1.
matt grime
Jun22-08, 09:13 AM
From your answer, the absolute value of b_subn - B must then be less than e/2(\left|A\right|+1)
Yep, that's fine. Getting something precisely less than epsilon is a complete red herring. You just need to make it arbtirarily small.
If, given any e>0 I can make something less than 3e or e^2, or e(1 + 1/(|A|+1))/2 for some fixed number A, then I've done the job.
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