Speed of fastest electron w\ workfunction & photon energy

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The discussion revolves around calculating the speed of the fastest electrons ejected from a tungsten surface due to the photoelectric effect, given the work function and photon energy. The subject area is primarily focused on the photoelectric effect and kinetic energy calculations in physics.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between photon energy, work function, and kinetic energy. There are attempts to convert kinetic energy into speed using the formula KE = (1/2)m*v^2. Questions arise regarding unit conversions from eV to Joules and the implications of using the mass of an electron in kilograms.

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Some participants have provided guidance on unit conversions and the proper use of formulas. There is an acknowledgment of the need to carefully redo calculations, and one participant expresses relief at eventually arriving at the correct answer after initial confusion.

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There is mention of the original poster's anxiety about an upcoming test and the challenge posed by the assumptions made in their textbook regarding prior knowledge of physics constants.

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Hi please help me I have a test tomorrow worth 30% and I can't even work out the most basic of questions because my book assumes prior physics and knowing constants etc which I don't know!

The work function of tungsten is 4.50 eV. Calculate the speed of the fastest electrons ejected from a tungsten surface when light whose photon energy is 5.80 eV shines on the surface.

Ok so I've read all the theory and I haven't found anything under the photoelectric section converting KE to speed, I asked my friend and he said KE = (1/2)m*v^2 which didnt work. So far I have

hf = Kmax + (I) where (I) is that funny I in a O symbol
5.8 = Kmax + 4.5
Kmax = 1.3


Im assuming that's correct but please correct me if I am wrong, so I now have the max Kinetic energy but no way to convert it to speed. The back of the book says the mass of an electron is 9.109*10^-31 kg

I've also tried an equation I found on the internet:

V^2/C^2 = (2*Kmax)/mc^2 and after a little searching I found c to be the speed of light, but that returned a value of V = 68.81 which although a nice number wasnt right, 676 km/s is meant to be the answer, perhaps I just have to convert it? I think its in m/s atm though so that would make it 0.06881 km/s? That would be way off... please help me! I need to pass this test!
 
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fredwacko40 said:
hf = Kmax + (I) where (I) is that funny I in a O symbol
5.8 = Kmax + 4.5
Kmax = 1.3
Convert the energy units from eV to Joules (the usual SI units). Then you can calculate the speed using the definition of KE.
 
Ok so the conversion from
eV to joules is 16.02*10^-19
which gives me 2.0826*10^-19

So I plug in the numbers

((KE)/(0.5*m))^(0.5) = V
and that gives me a REALLY tiny number
which is correct but its too small!

6.76*10^-26

Is it because I am putting the mass in as Kg? Thats the first thing I am jumping to because although that's the way the book has the weight of an electron it strikes me as a silly unit for an electron!

Edit: What would be a better unit?
 
fredwacko40 said:
Ok so the conversion from
eV to joules is 16.02*10^-19
which gives me 2.0826*10^-19
OK.
So I plug in the numbers

((KE)/(0.5*m))^(0.5) = V
and that gives me a REALLY tiny number
which is correct but its too small!
Do this calculation over. Carefully. (Kg is the proper unit for mass; note that the mass of the electron is tiny.)
 
Thankyou so much! I don't know what I put in wrong the first time but I now have the correct answer :) I probably would have spent another hour on that not even realising Id already had it right but put in the wrong numbers!
 

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