Quantcast what is the flaw with this proof? Text - Physics Forums Library

PDA

View Full Version : what is the flaw with this proof?


soandos
Oct9-08, 10:29 PM
x==Sqrt[0+Sqrt[0+Sqrt[x+Sqrt[0+...]]]]
x==Sqrt[x]
x==1 and zero
1==Sqrt[0+Sqrt[0+Sqrt[x+Sqrt[0+...]]]]==0
1==0

CRGreathouse
Oct9-08, 11:44 PM
x==Sqrt[0+Sqrt[0+Sqrt[x+Sqrt[0+...]]]]
x==Sqrt[x]
x==1 and zero
1==Sqrt[0+Sqrt[0+Sqrt[x+Sqrt[0+...]]]]==0
1==0

Your third line incorrectly assumes that any solution to the second line is a solution to the first line. This is not the case.

Consider
x = 7
x * 0 = 7 * 0
0 = 0, which holds for all x (including 2)
2 = 7

soandos
Oct10-08, 05:40 AM
I am not multiplying by zero in any step though, i am just saying that Sqrt[0+Sqrt[0+Sqrt[x+Sqrt[0+...]]]]==x
means that Sqrt[0+x]==x

CRGreathouse
Oct10-08, 08:40 AM
I am not multiplying by zero in any step though, i am just saying that Sqrt[0+Sqrt[0+Sqrt[x+Sqrt[0+...]]]]==x
means that Sqrt[0+x]==x

You are not multiplying by zero, correct. You are saying that line 1 implies line 2, which is a correct statement. You further claim (implicitly) that an x-value solving line 2 solves line 1, which is incorrect.

soandos
Oct10-08, 10:31 AM
why does it not follow?

CRGreathouse
Oct10-08, 04:43 PM
Why would it?

If someone is 52, then they're in their 50s. If someone is in their 50s, they might be 58. If someone is 58, they are eligible to join the 55+ club. But it doesn't follow that someone who is 52 might be able to join the 55+ club.

If x = -3 then x^2 = 9. If x^2 = 9 it follows that x is 3 or -3. But it does not follow that both 3 = -3 and -3 = -3.

epkid08
Oct10-08, 08:53 PM
Just because the zeros of a function equal zero when put through the function, doesn't mean that the zeros equal each other.

(x+1)(x-1)=0
x=1;x=-1
1≠-1

soandos
Oct12-08, 12:13 AM
thanks.
btw epkid08, that is not what i was saying. i was saying that value of the function was x, not the zeros of f(x)

epkid08
Oct12-08, 12:34 AM
thanks.
btw epkid08, that is not what i was saying. i was saying that value of the function was x, not the zeros of f(x)

It was an analogy. The message was that if x = {a,b}, a≠b.

x=√(x)
x={0,1}
0≠1

CRGreathouse
Oct12-08, 05:17 AM
It was an analogy. The message was that if x = {a,b}, a≠b.

x=√(x)
x={0,1}
0≠1

My message was that if F(x) --> G(x), and G(x) holds precisely for x in X, F(x) need not hold for all x in X.