What's the most beautiful definition you've ever seen? For me, it has to be the definition of a free basis in group theory.
Mentallic
Oct11-08, 09:44 PM
Perpendicular distance from a point to a line in coordinate geometry :wink:
I was the only one in my class to appreciate the formula though.
prasannaworld
Oct12-08, 12:55 AM
Well call me premature if you will, but I reckon it is:
e is a number such that:
d/dx (e^x) = e^x
I mean so much can be drawn from this...
tgt
Oct12-08, 06:01 AM
Well call me premature if you will, but I reckon it is:
e is a number such that:
d/dx (e^x) = e^x
I mean so much can be drawn from this...
Is that a definition?
prasannaworld
Oct12-08, 06:33 AM
Is that a definition?
YES IT IS!
Give me one "Definition" that boils to this one...
Using this definition one can derive the Maclaurin Series for e...
Using this definition one can use l'Hopital's Rule to derive:
e = lim (1+1/n)^n
x->inf
And by defining ln(x) to be the inverse function of e^x (i.e. Logarithm base e), one can go further and get Integral of ln(x) is 1/x - which some claim to be the first definition...
Kurret
Oct12-08, 10:17 AM
Give me one "Definition" that boils to this one...
you could also define e to be e = lim (1+1/n)^n, x->inf and then derive the other results, which I think is a more common definition.
Ontopic: I dont get how a definition can be beautiful? Sure, a proof or a theorem can be elegant, but what is a "beautiful" definition? :o
fluidistic
Oct12-08, 10:24 AM
Well call me premature if you will, but I reckon it is:
e is a number such that:
d/dx (e^x) = e^x
I mean so much can be drawn from this...
The number 0 also satisfies the condition above, so e is not unique in that case. (well if you consider x\neq 0.)
prasannaworld
Oct12-08, 02:29 PM
The number 0 also satisfies the condition above, so e is not unique in that case. (well if you consider x\neq 0.)
True... I still view that as the standard definition. To make it better how about: xER; obviously 0 can no longer work.
Also on topic: I believe a "beautiful" definition in simple refers to one that is simple but a lot can be done with it/derived from it...
TD
Oct12-08, 03:16 PM
It still doesn't define e^x uniquely, because any c.e^x with c in R is good too.
You can define f(x) = e^x as the function satisfying f(x)' = f(x) and f(0) = 1.
CRGreathouse
Oct12-08, 03:41 PM
I think the most beautiful definition for me (simple though it is!) would be Gauss' definition of congruence classes mod m.
It still doesn't define e^x uniquely, because any c.e^x with c in R is good too.
You can define f(x) = e^x as the function satisfying f(x)' = f(x) and f(0) = 1.
I think the intent was to define e, not e^x. e is the unique positive solution of a^x = d/dx a^x.
TD
Oct12-08, 03:45 PM
Oh of course, I misread!
evagelos
Oct12-08, 04:47 PM
Beautiful is the way that you write down the definition in SYMBOLS and not the definition itself
fluidistic
Oct12-08, 05:27 PM
\vec{L}=\vec{r}\times \vec{p} definition of angular momentum.
tgt
Oct13-08, 06:33 AM
but what is a "beautiful" definition? :o
Just like a beautiful proof. When it has a lot in it (i.e get something out of it every time you think about it) and gets to your heart.
Kurret
Oct13-08, 01:25 PM
Just like a beautiful proof. When it has a lot in it (i.e get something out of it every time you think about it) and gets to your heart.
I think a beautiful proof is totally different. Imo a beautiful proof is one that has some elegant and creative "trick" in it, that usually makes the proof short without a lot of messy computation, and usually makes you think "how did he think of that?"...
Altough, when thinking about it, the construction of the real numbers with dedekind cuts is imo very cool and elegant, so that would maybe qualify as a beautiful definition for me..
CRGreathouse
Oct13-08, 01:57 PM
I think a beautiful proof is totally different. Imo a beautiful proof is one that has some elegant and creative "trick" in it, that usually makes the proof short without a lot of messy computation, and usually makes you think "how did he think of that?"...
To me a beautiful proof shows that two a priori unrelated things can be used together to show something interesting. A proof that comes out of nowhere (but gives no insight on why the unusual step is chosen) is less beautiful than one that is straightforward, to me at least.
Jame
Oct18-08, 08:28 AM
I appreciate most definitions because they are what expresses the true intuition of the mathematician, like the spark of motivation that starts the tedious process of deduction. (S)he starts with what seems sensible and can't be unarguably justified. We sure could invent a lot of mathematics which has absolutely no interpretation, but the only mathematics that survives is the one that makes sense. I'm aware of the fact that most of mathematics is very far from reality, but it still makes sense to somebody, even if it's in a "fantasy" of the minds of a small group of mathematicians.
Jarle
Oct22-08, 01:44 PM
A good and beautiful proof is a constructive one, though general, which gives insight and suggests a direction of attack to any problem related to it. The "trick" is usually the discovery of this method of attack.
Diffy
Oct22-08, 02:31 PM
Here ya go:
By a "set" we mean any collection M into a whole of definite, distinct objects m (which are called the "elements" of M) of our perception or of our thought.
kev
Oct22-08, 03:51 PM
I like Euler's identity:
e^{i \pi} + 1 = 0
allthough I am not sure if it strictly qualifies as a definition, the implicit relationship between the important mathematical constants e, pi and i is beautiful to me anyway.
but there may be restrictions on the above "definitions".
kev
Oct22-08, 06:00 PM
I like Euler's identity:
e^{i \pi} + 1 = 0
allthough I am not sure if it strictly qualifies as a definition, the implicit relationship between the important mathematical constants e, pi and i is beautiful to me anyway.
but there may be restrictions on the above "definitions".
and
e = (-1)^{(\frac{1}{i \pi})}
?
quasar987
Oct22-08, 08:49 PM
Here ya go:
By a "set" we mean any collection M into a whole of definite, distinct objects m (which are called the "elements" of M) of our perception or of our thought.
This is cool sounding. :smile: Have you seen this definition in any particular book?
And CRGreathouse, what is this definition of congruence class mod m you are referring to?
Diffy
Oct22-08, 08:56 PM
At the beginning of his Beiträge zur Begründung der transfiniten Mengenlehre, Georg Cantor, the principal creator of set theory, gave the following definition of a set:[5]
By a "set" we mean any collection M into a whole of definite, distinct objects m (which are called the "elements" of M) of our perception [Anschauung] or of our thought.
CRGreathouse
Oct22-08, 09:06 PM
And CRGreathouse, what is this definition of congruence class mod m you are referring to?
Just the ordinary one -- {mk + n, k in Z}. It's essentially the first step toward p-adics.
JasonRox
Oct22-08, 10:01 PM
The definition of a topological space.
atyy
Oct22-08, 10:12 PM
I know this is actually meaningless for mathematicians, but I like it because it shows the connection between mathematics and physics: "A point is that which has no part."
HallsofIvy
Oct23-08, 05:02 AM
I have no idea how you think that shows "the connection between mathematics and physics". That's from Euclid and surely is not the way the word "point" is used in physics.
tgt
Oct23-08, 06:50 AM
I have no idea how you think that shows "the connection between mathematics and physics". That's from Euclid and surely is not the way the word "point" is used in physics.
Point particles have no parts, no? Although electrons have spin. How can something that have no parts have spin?
atyy
Oct23-08, 05:18 PM
I have no idea how you think that shows "the connection between mathematics and physics". That's from Euclid and surely is not the way the word "point" is used in physics.
My understanding is that "has no part" is not formally used to deduce geometrical statements. But if I want to draw a picture representing the geometry, then I use the idea that a point "has no parts". Drawing a triangle or a circle on a flat piece of paper is the physical representation of the geometry.
quasar987
Oct23-08, 06:13 PM
Hey, I just stumbled upon this on the wiki page about relations:
"When two objects, qualities, classes, or attributes, viewed together by the mind, are seen under some connexion, that connexion is called a relation." (Augustus De Morgan[1])
quasar987
Oct23-08, 06:31 PM
I don't know if I find the definition of a topological space beautiful in itself, but the whole abstractization of the "theory of the neighborhood" (i.e. freeing it from epsilons!) is certainly a beautiful feat of the mind. Although yes, since the definition of a topological space captures the essence of the idea of a neighborhood and all its power in 3 simple yet mysterious axioms, then I can definitely see how it has some beauty in itself! I guess it's my favorite definitions too then.
Not a mathematical dfn but it appears in an old absolutely beautiful philosophy book attempting to explain the human mind by starting from a handful of definition and axioms about the most elementary but fundamental concepts about the universe and working upwards by means of the "Lemma, Theorem, Corolary" formula. This is one of the first definitions of the book I think:
"Per aeternitatem, intelligo ipsam existensiam" (By eternity, I mean existence itself)
:!!)
Psycopathak
Oct27-08, 12:56 PM
I don't know if this is ok, but It's just amazing
Euler's Identity:
e^i*pi = -1
It relates the exponential base which is found with calculus, the imaginary unit which literally has to be made up to solve functions where there are no real solutions, and pi, which links all of geometry together. And it all equals -1!
It relates algebra, geometry and calculus to the most basic number.
mathwonk
Oct29-08, 08:18 PM
i agree that the free basis definition is typical of the most beautiful definitions, namely definitions by universal mapping properties.
tgt
Oct30-08, 03:24 AM
i agree that the free basis definition is typical of the most beautiful definitions, namely definitions by universal mapping properties.
It took ages to understand them. Do you know who invented them?
mathwonk
Oct31-08, 10:09 AM
i believe peter freyd, in his book on categories and functors, credits maclane with this type of definition in a paper on groups.
olliemath
Nov1-08, 10:55 PM
Continuity in the way I first heard it:
A funtion f:A\subseteq\mathbb{R}\rightarrow\mathbb{R} is continuous if, for each x\in A and each \varepsilon>0, we can find some \delta>0 such that |f(x)-f(y)|<\epsilon whenever |x-y|<\delta.
I know a lot of people tend not to like it when they first see it, but it was the first time I saw a mathematician take something so intuative then transform it into a solid mathematical form. That gave me a love of analysis/topology that I still hold. An alternative for me would possibly be the definition of the fundamental group.
mathwonk
Nov2-08, 12:21 AM
what about the definition where f^-1(U) is open whenever U is open.
olliemath
Nov2-08, 05:09 PM
I like the classical form (I think because I have the memory "wow, maths can be beautiful" associated to it, rather than its intrinsic genius) but I can see why you like the more topological version.
mutton
Nov2-08, 11:51 PM
compactness: every open cover has a finite subcover
EternalVortex
Nov3-08, 02:13 PM
I like the definition of NP the best. Easy to verify, hard to solve.
CRGreathouse
Nov3-08, 02:15 PM
I like the definition of NP the best. Easy to verify, hard to solve.
That's a good one.
tim_lou
Nov3-08, 11:18 PM
All those cohomology business. It's hard to believe how much antisymmetry (of simplexes, tensor products..etc) gives you... Stokes theorem, De Rham's theorem and what not...even though I haven't fully understood them yet.
tim_lou
Nov3-08, 11:21 PM
The definition of Lebesgue integral as well. To understand how Riez representation theorem falls right out of it is amazing.