Crooke's Radiometer: How Does It Work Without Motors or Electronics?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the operation of Crooke's Radiometer, a device that rotates in response to light and heat without the use of motors or electronics. Participants explore the principles behind its functioning, including the effects of light absorption and pressure differences, as well as the implications of varying internal pressure on its rotation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the Crooke's Radiometer and its components, noting that it rotates in sunlight due to the difference in heating between the dark and shiny surfaces.
  • Another participant suggests that reducing the internal pressure could cause the device to rotate in the opposite direction due to momentum changes of reflected particles.
  • A later reply confirms that in a vacuum, photon pressure would dominate and suggests that the shiny side would then cause rotation, contingent on having a good vacuum and low-friction suspension.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effects of internal pressure on the rotation direction, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain on how the radiometer operates under varying conditions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the conditions under which the radiometer operates optimally, nor does it clarify the specific mechanics of photon pressure versus thermal effects in detail.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in thermodynamics, optics, or experimental physics may find this discussion relevant.

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I have a question regarding a cool toy I saw and I’m not sure how it works.
It was a glass sphere, enclosed in the sphere was a rotating shaft with four plates. The plates had a shinny surface on one side and a dark surface on the other. The rotating shaft was free to move on each end and contained no motors or other electronics. The shaft rotates in the presence of strong sun light or the heat produced by the sunlight. I noticed when the sphere was shaded it did slow down. Shining an artificial light on it did cause it to rotate but very slowly. Can anyone explain to me the principle of operation. Thanks.
 
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Crooke's Radiometer

Welcome to the forums, pephilg!

That toy is called a Crooke's Radiometer. The dark surface is a better absorber of light energy than the shiny surface, so it heats up more. In turn, the air next to the dark surface gets a little hotter, which increases its pressure. It's the pressure difference across the plates that makes it rotate.
 
Isn't also true to say that if the pressure inside is reduced to a low enough value, it will rotate in the OPPoSITE direction due to the momentum change of the reflected particles?

Has this ever been done?
 
Yes and yes. With the air gone, the dominant effect will be photon pressure: greatest for the shiny side. You need a good vacuum and low-friction suspension of the vanes.
 

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