Self Inductance Question

[TFM]

1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

Give a definition of (self) inductance. Suppose a battery, which supplies a constant EMF ϵ_0 is connected to a circuit of resistance R and inductance L at t = 0. Find an expression for the current as a function of time.

2. Relevant equations

V = IR

V = -L\frac{dI}{dt} [/tex

3. The attempt at a solution

I am assuming that this is to be treated as a Kirchoff Loop, thus the total voltage = 0

Voltage providers:

Inductor
Battery

Users:

Resistor

Thus I have the equation:

[tex] \epsilon - L\frac{dI}{dt} - IR = 0

and thus:

\epsilon - L\frac{dI}{dt} = IR

treating like a differential equation:

\epsilon - L\frac{dI}{dt} = IR

\epsilon dt - L dI = IR dt

rearrange:

\frac{L}{IR} dI = -dt + \epsilon dt

Gives:

\frac{1}{L}ln(IR) dI = -t + \epsilon t

multiply by L

ln(IR) = -Lt + \epsilon t [/tex

take exponentials:

[tex] IR = e^{-Lt} + e^{\epsilon t}

Does this look right so far?

TFM

[alphysicist]

Hi TFM,

3. The attempt at a solution

I am assuming that this is to be treated as a Kirchoff Loop, thus the total voltage = 0

Voltage providers:

Inductor
Battery

Users:

Resistor

Thus I have the equation:

\epsilon - L\frac{dI}{dt} - IR = 0

and thus:

\epsilon - L\frac{dI}{dt} = IR

treating like a differential equation:

\epsilon - L\frac{dI}{dt} = IR

\epsilon dt - L dI = IR dt

rearrange:

\frac{L}{IR} dI = -dt + \epsilon dt

This equation does not follow from the previous one.

[TFM]

No it doesn't

so:

\epsilon dt - L dI = IR dt

see, I have to rearrange to get I onto the left side.

does this look better:

\epsilon dt - L dI = IR dt

- L dI = IR dt - \epsilon dt

- L dI = (IR - \epsilon) dt

- \frac{L}{IR - \epsilon} dI = dt

so and so:

- \frac{1}{L}ln(IR - \epsilon) = t

Does this look better?

TFM

[alphysicist]

No it doesn't

so:

\epsilon dt - L dI = IR dt

see, I have to rearrange to get I onto the left side.

does this look better:

\epsilon dt - L dI = IR dt

- L dI = IR dt - \epsilon dt

- L dI = (IR - \epsilon) dt

- \frac{L}{IR - \epsilon} dI = dt

I think this part looks okay.



so and so:

- \frac{1}{L}ln(IR - \epsilon) = t

This isn't quite right. The integration is not right (if you take the derivative of the left side with respect to I you don't get the left side of the previous equation). Also remember that these are definite integrals, so you have to evaluate the limits.

[TFM]

Would the limits be for I between 0 and I and for t between 0 and t?

I am not sure how to integrate this, because I thought when you integrated:

\frac{1}{x} dx

you got:

ln(x)

and for:

\frac{b}{x}

where b is a constant, you got:

\frac{1}{b}lnx

???

TFM

[alphysicist]

and for:

\frac{b}{x}

where b is a constant, you got:

\frac{1}{b}lnx


No, the integral


\int \frac{b}{x} dx \to b \ln x

(plus a constant) because in that case the b can come out of the integral (it is not affected by the integration process at all). However, you do have to take into account that the R is multiplying the I.

- L\left( \int\limits_0^I \frac{1}{IR - \epsilon} dI \right) = \int\limits_0^t dt

[TFM]

Okay, so:

- L\left( \int\limits_0^I \frac{1}{IR - \epsilon} dI \right) = \int\limits_0^t dt

-L(ln(IR - \epsilon) - (0R - \epsilon)) = t - 0

-L(ln(IR - \epsilon - - \epsilon)) = t

-L(ln(IR)) = t

???

TFM

[alphysicist]

Okay, so:

- L\left( \int\limits_0^I \frac{1}{IR - \epsilon} dI \right) = \int\limits_0^t dt

-L(ln(IR - \epsilon) - (0R - \epsilon)) = t - 0

The R has to be handled like this:


\int \frac{1}{IR-\epsilon}\ dI \to \frac{\ln(IR-\epsilon)}{R}

(plus the constant).

Also when you go to apply limits,


\ln (x)\Big|_{x_0}^{x_f} \neq \ln (x_f - x_0)


Instead, it is:



\ln (x)\Big|_{x_0}^{x_f} = \ln (x_f) - \ln(x_0)

[TFM]

Okay, so:

- L\left( \int\limits_0^I \frac{1}{IR - \epsilon} dI \right) = \int\limits_0^t dt

This will integrate to:

-L\left[\frac{ln(IR - \epsilon)}{R}\right]^I_0 = t

-L \left(\frac{IR - \epsilon}{R} - \frac{0R - \epsilon}{R}\right) = t

-L \left(\frac{IR - \epsilon}{R} - \frac{- \epsilon}{R}\right) = t

does this look better?

???

TFM

[alphysicist]

You seemed to have dropped your \ln's when you put in the limits.

[TFM]

Sorry, copied through typo :redface:

It should be:

-L\left[\frac{ln(IR - \epsilon)}{R}\right]^I_0 = t

-L \left(\frac{ln(IR - \epsilon)}{R} - \frac{ln(0R - \epsilon)}{R}\right) = t

-L \left(\frac{ln(IR - \epsilon)}{R} - \frac{ln(- \epsilon)}{R}\right) = t

???

TFM

[TFM]

Does this look correct

???

TFM

[alphysicist]

What does that give for I?

[TFM]

Well, if we rearrange it:

-L \left(\frac{ln(IR - \epsilon)}{R} - \frac{ln(- \epsilon)}{R}\right) = t

\left(\frac{ln(IR - \epsilon)}{R} - \frac{ln(- \epsilon)}{R}\right) = -\frac{t}{L}

Multiply by R:

ln(IR - \epsilon) - ln(-\epsilon) = -\frac{Rt}{L}

take exponentials:

IR - \epsilon + \epsilon = e^{-\frac{Rt}{L}}

IR = e^{-\frac{Rt}{L}}

I = \frac{^{-\frac{Rt}{L}}}{R}

Does this look correct?

TFM

[alphysicist]

Well, if we rearrange it:

-L \left(\frac{ln(IR - \epsilon)}{R} - \frac{ln(- \epsilon)}{R}\right) = t

\left(\frac{ln(IR - \epsilon)}{R} - \frac{ln(- \epsilon)}{R}\right) = -\frac{t}{L}

Multiply by R:

ln(IR - \epsilon) - ln(-\epsilon) = -\frac{Rt}{L}

take exponentials:

IR - \epsilon + \epsilon = e^{-\frac{Rt}{L}}

This line is not correct, because:


\exp \left\{ \ln x + \ln y\right\} \neq x + y


Before you take the exponential of both sides, you just want a single natural log on the left . That is, you want the left side to be just:

ln(something)

[TFM]

so:

ln(IR - \epsilon) - ln(-\epsilon) = -\frac{Rt}{L}

isn't ln(a) - ln(b) = ln(\frac{a}{b})

???

If so:

ln(IR - \epsilon) - ln(-\epsilon) \equiv ln\left(\frac{IR - \epsilon}{-\epsilon} \right)

giving:

ln\left(\frac{IR - \epsilon}{-\epsilon} \right) = \frac{-Rt}{L}

taking exponentials:

\frac{IR - \epsilon}{-\epsilon} = e^{\frac{-Rt}{L}}

Does this look better?

TFM

[alphysicist]

Yes.

[TFM]

Excellent. So:

\frac{IR - \epsilon}{-\epsilon} = e^{\frac{-Rt}{L}}

IR - \epsilon = \epsilon e^{\frac{-Rt}{L}}

IR = \epsilon - \epsilon e^{\frac{-Rt}{L}}

factorise out:

IR = \epsilon \left(1 - e^{\frac{-Rt}{L}} \right)

divide by R:

I = \frac{\epsilon}{R} \left(1 - e^{\frac{-Rt}{L}} \right)

Does this look correct?

TFM

[alphysicist]

I = \frac{\epsilon}{R} \left(1 - e^{\frac{-Rt}{L}} \right)

Does this look correct?

TFM

That looks right to me.