Scattering Angle

[e(ho0n3]

Here I go again,

Problem: Suppose we have a particle of mass m moving with speed v that collides with another particle of mass M which is initially at rest. Show that the scattering angle of m after collision can be anywhere between 0 and 180 degress if m < M. Determine the maximum scattering angle when m > M.

Well, first of all I have no idea what they mean by the 'scattering angle'. I assume it's the angle between the old and new velocity vectors of m.

Let \vec{v} = (v, 0) be the velocity vector of m before colliding, \vec{v'} = (v'_x, v'_y) be the velocity vector of m after colliding, and \vec{u} = (u_x, u_y) be the velocity vector of M after the collision.

Using conservation of momentum:
(mv, 0) = m(v'_x, v'_y) + M(u_x, u_y)
0 = mv'_y + Mu_y
mv = mv'_x + Mu_x
Using conservation of kinetic energy (since this is an elastic collion):
mv^2/2 = mv'^2/2 + Mu^2/2 \rightarrow Mu^2/m = v^2 - v'^2

Now, there are three equations and four unknowns (not counting m < M or M > m). I can derive an equation for the scattering angle in terms of of the velocities, but it doesn't tell me much. What can I do?

e(ho0n3

[Doc Al]

Well, first of all I have no idea what they mean by the 'scattering angle'. I assume it's the angle between the old and new velocity vectors of m.
Yes. A scattering angle of 180° means it bounces straight backwards.

If you want to deduce anything about the scattering angle, then you'd better write your conservation of momentum equations in terms of it. For example:
mv = mv_1cos\theta + Mv_2cos\alpha
where θ is the scattering angle.

etc...

[e(ho0n3]

If you want to deduce anything about the scattering angle, then you'd better write your conservation of momentum equations in terms of it. For example:
mv = mv_1cos\theta + Mv_2cos\alpha
where θ is the scattering angle.


Unfortunately, changing my expression doesn't do much for me as I still end up with a strage equation that I can't seem to analyze very well. I suppose that \alpha in your expression varies from 0 to 90 degrees with respect to \vec{v}, but that still doesn't help me much because I don't know v_1 and v_2. I'll go over what I have again, but I'm just not getting it.

e(ho0n3

[Doc Al]

Unfortunately, changing my expression doesn't do much for me as I still end up with a strage equation that I can't seem to analyze very well.
Show me what you've got. You should have two momentum equations (horizontal and vertical components). Plus the KE equation.
I suppose that \alpha in your expression varies from 0 to 90 degrees with respect to \vec{v}, but that still doesn't help me much because I don't know v_1 and v_2.
Why are you supposing? The range of θ (the scattering angle) is what you're supposed to be figuring out. Eliminate α.

Here's a hint for you. Write your two equations for momentum. (I already gave you one.) Move all the terms containing θ and α to separate sides. For example, one would be:
mv - mv_1cos\theta = Mv_2cos\alpha
What happens if you square both sides of this equation and the other momentum equation, then add them? Things will simplify. Don't give up.

[e(ho0n3]

mv - mv_1cos\theta = Mv_2cos\alpha
What happens if you square both sides of this equation and the other momentum equation, then add them? Things will simplify. Don't give up.
Good tip. That never came to mind.
From conservation of momentum:
mv - mv'cos(\theta) = Mucos(\alpha)
m^2(v^2 - 2vv'cos(\theta) + v'^2(cos(\theta)^2) = (Mucos(\alpha))^2
0 = mv'sin(\theta) + Musin(\alpha) \rightarrow -mv'sin(\theta) = Musin(\alpha)
m^2(v^2 - 2vv'cos(\theta)) + (mv')^2(1 - sin(\theta)^2) = (Mucos(\alpha))^2
m^2(v^2 - 2vv'cos(\theta)) + (mv')^2 = (Mu)^2
From conservation of kinetic energy:
m(v^2- v'^2) = Mu^2
Putting it all together:
m^2(v^2 - 2vv'cos(\theta)) + (mv')^2 = Mm(v^2 - v'^2)
cos(\theta)= \frac{v'^2(M + m) - v^2(M - m)}{2mvv'}

Assuming this is right, v' can be vary from -v (the particle bounces back) to v (the particle continues as if it had never collided (although this sounds kind of fishy so maybe I should say up to and excluding v)). Thus, cos(\theta) varies from -1 to 1, and thus \theta can vary from 0 to 180 degrees. Notice that I haven't made any assumptions about M versus m here. What is the significance if m < M or m > M?

e(ho0n3

[Doc Al]

Putting it all together:
m^2(v^2 - 2vv'cos(\theta)) + (mv')^2 = Mm(v^2 - v'^2)
cos(\theta)= \frac{v'^2(M + m) - v^2(M - m)}{2mvv'}
You're almost there. Here's the final hint. Instead of solving for cosθ (and then having to give a handwaving argument), realize that that first equation can be rewritten as a quadratic in v'. Now what had better be true in order for that quadratic to have a solution?

If you do it right, you will see the significance of m versus M.

[e(ho0n3]

You're almost there. Here's the final hint. Instead of solving for cosθ (and then having to give a handwaving argument), realize that that first equation can be rewritten as a quadratic in v'. Now what had better be true in order for that quadratic to have a solution?

If you do it right, you will see the significance of m versus M.

I'm starting to like this problem. I'm not really sure what you mean by "a quadratic in v'", but anyways...rewriting the first equation into
v^2(1-\frac{M}{m}) - 2vv'cos(\theta) + v'^2(1+\frac{M}{m}) = 0.
has a solution if
cos^2(\theta) \geq (1-\frac{M}{m}) (1+\frac{M}{m}) = 1-\frac{M^2}{m^2}
or
1 - sin^2(\theta) \geq 1 - \frac{M^2}{m^2} \rightarrow sin(\theta) < \frac{M}{m}
So, since M/m > 1, then our scattering angle can take any value from 0 to 180 (I hope that did it). Suppose m > M. The maximum angle \theta must satisfy
cos^2(\theta) = 1-\frac{M^2}{m^2}

Thanks you Doc Al,
e(ho0n3