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LowlyPion
Jan29-09, 09:18 PM
Octuplet Mom May Have Already Had 6 Kids
Neighbors Tell ABC News Woman Is Single Mother Living With Parents
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=6764771&page=1
If true as reported ... why would anyone apparently take fertility drugs with 6 already?
That's appalling. It seems she may have bought the fertiltiy drugs illegally. No accredited clinic would do such a thing, supposedly. Perhaps she's mentally ill a la Angelina Jolie with her insane desire to keep popping out kids?
Gokul43201
Jan29-09, 09:54 PM
The report does not say she took fertility drugs.
humanino
Jan29-09, 10:00 PM
BTW, I think that makes 14. She may just be blessed by the God of fertility as well.
Gokul43201
Jan29-09, 10:02 PM
And Jolie has popped out 3 children (including twins) and adopted 3 from Cambodia, Ethiopia and Vietnam (all were living in orphanages). I don't see the similarity between the two cases, or the basis for a diagnosis of insanity.
LowlyPion
Jan29-09, 10:41 PM
The report does not say she took fertility drugs.
I'm fairly certain it was reported elsewhere. I believe in the interview with the doctors after delivery on MSNBC. Something to the effect that you don't have 8 without chemical assistance.
LowlyPion
Jan29-09, 10:45 PM
That's appalling. It seems she may have bought the fertiltiy drugs illegally. No accredited clinic would do such a thing, supposedly. Perhaps she's mentally ill a la Angelina Jolie with her insane desire to keep popping out kids?
Well Bradgelina do have the resources to care for about as many as they want to pop out or adopt. It wouldn't be my choice, but if that is how they want to fill their lives, ...
But in this case 14 kids in a 3 bedroom house?
That will definitely affect the resale value of the home.
I dont know about the U.S. but in Canada it would be questioned whether she should be allowed to keep them all as a single mom with only 1 income in a 3 bedroom house...
I cant imagine giving birth to one and ever wanting to do it again, let alone do it again 8 times in a row...
FredGarvin
Jan30-09, 06:46 AM
This goes right up there with the sick-o's in Arkansas or wherever that have 16 kids and keep going. This is a sickness. This is nature's way of the need to porpagate the species taken to an absurd level.
LowlyPion
Jan30-09, 07:53 AM
This goes right up there with the sick-o's in Arkansas or wherever that have 16 kids and keep going. This is a sickness. This is nature's way of the need to porpagate the species taken to an absurd level.
Used to be in a more agrarian world that large families meant a ready made workforce. Increase the brood of kids like growing a herd of milk cows. With disease being treated haphazardly, getting all the kids to adulthood was undoubtedly a challenge.
For instance I look at my family tree and see family sizes of 5 to 9 kids through the 18th and 19th century and I don't think that was really all that uncommon. (And maybe 1 sometimes 2 pre-adult deaths per generation as I recall.) And they were for the most part farm owners. But the twentieth century saw my forbears have just 2 and 3 kids a generation. I think, without researching it, that experience likely mirrors, society generally as it developed and expanded with US manifest destiny.
The thing that I have to wonder about now though is the idea that there may be some procreation going on out there that may be motivated by the idea that births are a perverse source of revenue in the form of welfare. Like gee if I had more kids I could get more food stamps, and subsidies. Hence I don't know that it is necessarily sick so much as narcissistic and ill considered.
The report does not say she took fertility drugs.Yes, it does.
The woman's mother, Angela Suleman, told the Los Angeles Times that her daughter had indeed undergone fertility treatments and that the embryos were implanted last year. According to Suleman, when the woman learned that she was carrying multiple babies, she opted not to reduce the number of embryos.
Astronuc
Jan30-09, 08:14 AM
Family: Octuplets' mother has 6 other children
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090130/ap_on_re_us/octuplets
WHITTIER, Calif. – The woman who gave birth to octuplets this week has six other children and never expected to have eight more when she took fertility treatment, her mother said.
Angela Suleman said her daughter expects a big challenge raising 14 children. The good news, she said, is all the babies appear healthy.
. . . .
Suleman's daughter gave birth to the octuplets Monday at a hospital in Bellflower but has requested that doctors keep her name confidential. Media knew little about the woman until a family acquaintance told CBS' "The Early Show" on Thursday that the mother is "fairly young" and lives with her parents and her six children.
. . . . Hay caramba! So what about the father(s)?
If she's not married, why the heck is she taking fertility treatment?
Gokul43201
Jan30-09, 08:52 AM
Yes, it does.You're right. I have no idea how I missed that paragraph. Thanks for pointing it out.
The Dagda
Jan30-09, 08:59 AM
If she's not married, why the heck is she taking fertility treatment?
Is that a conservative opinion there? Are couples who are not tied, not allowed to have children? Marriage these days is seen by many as little more than a tax break I think. A lot of people get married simply because it's a social convention at least in the UK, it certainly isn't in the majority of cases religious. If you think about it in a detached manner, apart from the legal and financial incentives, what is the difference between living with someone forever and being married?
Astronuc
Jan30-09, 09:13 AM
Is that a conservative opinion there? Are couples who are not tied, not allowed to have children? Marriage these days is seen by many as little more than a tax break I think. A lot of people get married simply because it's a social convention at least in the UK, it certainly isn't in the majority of cases religious. If you think about it in a detached manner, apart from the legal and financial incentives, what is the difference between living with someone forever and being married? I suppose some might consider my opinion conservative. So be it.
Actually, it's simply a matter of responsibility.
I'm also just curious about the absence of the father(s). For me, if I get a woman pregnant, I'm committed to that woman and child (or children) until I stop breathing.
I certainly don't know all the details, but I have to wonder if she is expecting to be supported by the state. It's one thing to have 14 children and support them oneself (which I don't see a single adult doing), but it's quite another matter to have numerous children and expect others to support one's children. It seems it's selfish.
If I'm going to live with someone forever, I'm going to get married (which I did going on 27 years + 1 year of being engaged while living apart except for weekends and holidays). Beyond legal and financial matters, it's simply a matter of commitment.
I've seen many people who live together (as well as married), and then split up. It seems, based on what I've observed, that when a couple co-habits, one or both is not necessarily committed to a long-term, exclusive relationship (I've seen that in marriages too).
The Dagda
Jan30-09, 09:15 AM
I see I agree with your concerns about a partner, but I suspect the treatment wouldn't have been tried if she didn't have a long term partner. Not sure though. If you think about it a lesbian couple would probably have the same issues, so it doesn't really matter about marriage.
As for your views about marriage I'm pretty sure you are not alone.
However it's possible to make a commitment without it being legally binding, it's possible to live have children and die without ever being married, the difference is more or less one of incentive and tradition and social conformity looked at impartially. In todays day and age looking at if someone is married as an indication of their fitness to raise children seems obsolete. A relationship will do.
Astronuc
Jan30-09, 09:29 AM
I'm just curious about whether the father(s) are supporting the woman and children.
I knew a woman who was one of three sisters, each of whom had a different father. None of the women knew who the father was. The mom just got pregnant and had the girls. The mother finally married, but from what I learned, the girls had a pretty rough time, and the woman I knew ran away from home at 16 and lived on the streets (sleeping in the yards of friends or neighbors). She finally settled down at 18, got her GED, and settled for menial or clerical jobs.
I'm just puzzled why a woman needs to take fertility treatment after having 6 kids, and what happened to the father(s).
The fathers may have been a sperm bank.
LowlyPion
Jan30-09, 09:45 AM
... but I suspect the treatment wouldn't have been tried if she didn't have a long term partner.
This is where I think it gets murky as to who would reasonably have assisted in such "treatment"? With 6 already on the shop floor being processed toward adulthood, another round of fertility encouragement seems like an extraordinary lapse in professional judgment, ... if a professional was involved.
I'd think if a doctor knowingly engaged in such treatments that he would begin to assume liability for his poor judgment.
There has to be an adult somewhere in this process.
It seems she may have bought the fertiltiy drugs illegally.
I could see that. Apart from overseas pharmacies, Clomid and a few other fertility drugs are also abused by bodybuilders, which there is a huge black market for.
Vanadium 50
Jan30-09, 10:23 AM
It would be interesting to know the fraction of people who think that she had too many kids who would also say they support reproductive freedom.
Gokul43201
Jan30-09, 10:41 AM
It would be interesting to know the fraction of people who think that she had too many kids who would also say they support reproductive freedom.Probably a similar fraction to those who agree with Voltaire's (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/v/voltaire109645.html) views on freedoms.
LowlyPion
Jan30-09, 01:25 PM
It would be interesting to know the fraction of people who think that she had too many kids who would also say they support reproductive freedom.
That's a good point, though I think when you begin to factor gross irresponsibility into the equation, where someone is disproportionately burdening others with the human obligation of caring for lives of innocents, born through no fault of their own, there begins to be some blow back.
The Dagda
Jan30-09, 01:30 PM
That's a good point, though I think when you begin to factor gross irresponsibility into the equation, where someone is disproportionately burdening others with the human obligation of caring for lives of innocents, born through no fault of their own, there begins to be some blow back.
Saying that such "celebrity" families, usually make a bit in endorsements. And companies like to send them a lifetime supply of x and y. They may even come out of it with more money than they would otherwise. It's hard to say.
Gokul43201
Jan30-09, 01:31 PM
Oops! I was looking at the wrong side of the reproductive freedom coin, wasn't I?
LowlyPion
Jan30-09, 02:06 PM
Saying that such "celebrity" families, usually make a bit in endorsements. And companies like to send them a lifetime supply of x and y. They may even come out of it with more money than they would otherwise. It's hard to say.
Perhaps. But the public appetite is for novelty. And promotion dollars feeds off that appetite.
Start having hundreds of baby dynamos churning 'em out half dozen at a whack and I'd think the public would be less amused by the novelty offered by the fertility pharmacopoeia. And the Gerbers and Pampers of the world would in turn be less inclined to support these legions of excess.
The Dagda
Jan30-09, 02:10 PM
Perhaps. But the public appetite is for novelty. And promotion dollars feeds off that appetite.
Start having hundreds of baby dynamos churning 'em out half dozen at a whack and I'd think the public would be less amused by the novelty offered by the fertility pharmacopoeia. And the Gerbers and Pampers of the world would in turn be less inclined to support these legions of excess.
Well obviously but in this case I doubt they'll be having more children so it is a possibility that they may make out like bandits from this. The poor often fire out more babies than they can afford, it's ubiquitous. The poor don't generally go mental and start firing out as many as they can though not even Catholics. :wink:
I think its funny that she wants her name to be confidential, its going to be hard to hide all those babies.
Gokul43201
Jan30-09, 02:56 PM
I think its funny that she wants her name to be confidential, its going to be hard to hide all those babies.The news reporters stuck to the letter of the law and did not disclose her name. But they did tell you her mother's name, and city of residence. Might as well have thrown in a telephone number as well. :rolleyes:
I think its funny that she wants her name to be confidential, its going to be hard to hide all those babies.She's not going to hide them for long. 8 babies at once is a good-sized litter, and she's going to milk that for all it's worth. It won't be long before her agent, her publicist, and her lawyers start making some noise.
Astronuc
Jan30-09, 06:55 PM
8 Is Enough: The Limits to Human Reproduction
http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20090130/sc_livescience/8isenoughthelimitstohumanreproduction
Eight kids at once. The mind boggles. The mind is also pretty creeped out by the thought of one tiny baby after another coming out of a woman as if she were a mouse.
It's great those octuplets are here and healthy, but really, humans aren't designed to have litters.
It's basic energetics. Every individual has only so much energy. Some energy is spent staying alive - that is, finding food and not being somebody else's food - and what's left over can be spent on reproduction. In other words, there are limits to reproduction.
. . . . I wish the children well.
LowlyPion
Jan30-09, 07:58 PM
Last March, Suleman filed bankruptcy, claiming nearly $1 million in liabilities — mostly because of a bad house investment, her attorney said. Countrywide Home Loans approved a $492,000 mortgage for Suleman in 2006 for a second home she bought in Whittier for $615,000. In 2008, the bank began foreclosure procedures. The house was sold in August for $369,375.
In an interview with the Los Angeles Times on Thursday, Suleman said her daughter did not expect to have octuplets, but that all the implanted embryos "happened to take."
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/01/family-in-octup.html
So she was in bankruptcy. AND she went ahead and had 8 embryos implanted? And she already had 6 children?
This isn't just under the counter fertility drugs gone awry.
Vanadium 50
Jan31-09, 12:16 AM
8 babies at once is a good-sized litter, and she's going to milk that for all it's worth.
No pun intended?
TheStatutoryApe
Jan31-09, 01:38 AM
I heard local (LA area) talk show hosts discussing this on my way to work.
they've received a bunch of information for various sources and are unsure how reliable it is but they gave a rather full picture of what they gathered.
if I remember this all correctly she was originally in a relationship, engaged I believe, and received fertility treatments which resulted in the first litter of six. supposedly her fiance, upon finding out she was having six babies, left her.
as to whether she is receiving child support there is rumour that she was artificially inseminated with donor sperm which would mean there is no father.
for the second pregnancy, unless I missed something, I believe she was single and supposedly jobless taking care of her first six and receiving welfare. supposedly she went to a fertility clinic in mexico and was artificially inseminated. so again supposedly no father.
some or much of that may be inaccurate.
Gokul43201
Jan31-09, 05:27 AM
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-octuplets31-2009jan31,0,6246659.story
if I remember this all correctly she was originally in a relationship, engaged I believe, and received fertility treatments which resulted in the first litter of six. supposedly her fiance, upon finding out she was having six babies, left her.The LATimes story says she had twins and 4 other children, before the octuplets. I think that likely rules out the possibility of sextuplets (sextuplets, then octuplets - jeez, that would be crazy!!)
as to whether she is receiving child support there is rumour that she was artificially inseminated with donor spermThis seems to be true.
I believe she was single and supposedly jobless taking care of her first six and receiving welfare.Also confirmed.
supposedly she went to a fertility clinic in mexico and was artificially inseminated. Nothing is said about this, so it is still a possibility.
Dadface
Jan31-09, 09:09 AM
Who needs fertility drugs?Just call for me...superstud.
Grandma: Octuplets mom obsessed with having kids
The woman who gave birth to octuplets this week conceived all 14 of her children through in vitro fertilization, is not married and has been obsessed with having children since she was a teenager, her mother said.
Angela Suleman told The Associated Press she was not supportive when her daughter, Nadya Suleman, decided to have more embryos implanted last year.
She said she warned her daughter that when she gets home from the hospital, "I'm going to be gone."
Angela Suleman said her daughter always had trouble conceiving and underwent in vitro fertilization treatments because her fallopian tubes are "plugged up."
There were frozen embryos left over after her previous pregnancies and her daughter didn't want them destroyed, so she decided to have more children.
Her daughter's obsession with children caused Angela Suleman considerable stress, so she sought help from a psychologist, who told her to order her daughter out of the house.
Yolanda Garcia, 49, of Whittier, said she helped care for Nadya Suleman's autistic son three years ago.
"From what I could tell back then, she was pretty happy with herself, saying she liked having kids and she wanted 12 kids in all," Garcia told the Long Beach Press-Telegram.
"She told me that all of her kids were through in vitro, and I said 'Gosh, how can you afford that and go to school at the same time?"' she added. "And she said it's because she got paid for it."
Garcia said she did not ask for details.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090131/ap_on_re_us/octuplets
Astronuc
Jan31-09, 11:02 AM
"And she said it's because she got paid for it." And that is SO WRONG!
. . . conceived all 14 of her children through in vitro fertilization, is not married and has been obsessed with having children since she was a teenager, . . . She probably meets the legal definition of insane, the inability to discern 'right from wrong'. She needs psychiatric help.
LowlyPion
Jan31-09, 11:55 AM
There were frozen embryos left over after her previous pregnancies and her daughter didn't want them destroyed, so she decided to have more children.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090131/ap_on_re_us/octuplets
I see. Just cleaning out the fridge. Making sure nothing goes to waste?
I see. Just cleaning out the fridge. Making sure nothing goes to waste?It would appear that way.
Astronuc
Jan31-09, 12:23 PM
I have to wonder what is meant by "And she said it's because she got paid for it." Does this mean she expects the taxpayers to pay for her selfish and irresponsible behavior, or is she planning to sell her offspring? :rolleyes:
LowlyPion
Jan31-09, 02:23 PM
Maybe someone told her once they liked the way she shook her moneymaker? And she just misapplied that to her life?
But you can't call her completely irresponsible. After all she was really only planning on having another 6 not all the 8 that took.
The Dagda
Jan31-09, 02:26 PM
I have to wonder what is meant by "And she said it's because she got paid for it." Does this mean she expects the taxpayers to pay for her selfish and irresponsible behavior, or is she planning to sell her offspring? :rolleyes:
No but as said the business world might. Her motivation was to have another baby than the six she already had, we should probably hold off making judgements until we know the whole story.
LowlyPion
Jan31-09, 02:29 PM
..., we should probably hold off making judgements until we know the whole story.
What fun is that?
The Dagda
Jan31-09, 02:31 PM
What fun is that?
Good point, I was just being needlessly wise, carry on. :biggrin:
No but as said the business world might. Her motivation was to have another baby than the six she already had, we should probably hold off making judgements until we know the whole story.Not according to people that knew her, she was wanting a dozen kids.
OmCheeto
Jan31-09, 03:08 PM
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Can you imagine a dog having 64 puppies :surprised ?!?
LowlyPion
Jan31-09, 09:01 PM
Can you imagine a dog having 64 puppies :surprised ?!?
That would set up a real competition come feeding time. At from between 6 - 10 nipples, they'd need to be fed in 7 - 11 shifts. I think at that point feeding would just be considered to be continuous.
Poor mom.
And does the ***** expect that her owners should pay for her selfish an irresponsible behaviour?
I have no idea of what * means. Are you talking about yourself ?
I have no idea of what * means. Are you talking about yourself ?
He means 'female dog.'
How many is too many?
I think the answer in this case is 14, as you and I will be paying mama prolificas bills.
Vanadium 50
Feb1-09, 06:43 AM
How many is too many?
I think the answer in this case is 14, as you and I will be paying mama prolificas bills.
So do you think society should decide how many children a woman should be allowed to bear? There is some precedent for this.
Astronuc
Feb1-09, 08:09 AM
So do you think society should decide how many children a woman should be allowed to bear? In Suleman's case - yes! Or put another way, does society have a right to prevent one from imposing one's burden on the rest of society?
Does society have the right to expect one to be responsible for one's acts, one's care, or one's children?
TheStatutoryApe
Feb1-09, 08:46 AM
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-octuplets31-2009jan31,0,6246659.story
The LATimes story says she had twins and 4 other children, before the octuplets. I think that likely rules out the possibility of sextuplets (sextuplets, then octuplets - jeez, that would be crazy!!)
This seems to be true.
Also confirmed.
Nothing is said about this, so it is still a possibility.
I was working off of memory so I may be quite wrong on some of these "facts".
One of the crazier rumours is that she had all of these children by the same donor and that the donor is known. If this is the case we could see some interesting court cases.
So do you think society should decide how many children a woman should be allowed to bear? There is some precedent for this.
I think laws of entitlement decide this. This is an extreme case. We've already been through 'The Great Society' in the democrat party's successful bid for the black vote. I think we should expect to live with it, as the extremes of that system, that monitarily encouraged fatherless families dependent on the public treasury, has been greatly reduced.
Am I wrong? Too much entitlement encouragements? Or too little help for those in need?
LowlyPion
Feb2-09, 12:20 PM
And now for the rest of the story ...
Octuplets’ mother wants Oprah to turn her into a $2m TV star
... Nadya Suleman, 33, plans a career as a television childcare expert after it emerged last week that she already had six children before giving birth on Monday.http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article5627531.ece
Octuplets' Mom Hires An Agent
Hattie Kauffman: She Hopes To Become TV Childcare Expert To Earn Living; She Used Settlement Proceeds For In-Vitro ... Suleman's mother told CBS News Nadya paid for in vitro fertilization with money from a legal settlement after a work accident. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/02/02/earlyshow/health/main4769209.shtml
I'd say she's looking like a prime time opportunist.
Next thing we'll know she will be attending an Alfalfa Club Dinner?
LowlyPion
Feb7-09, 09:25 AM
I wonder does she have to try so hard to look like Angelina Jolie too?Octuplets' birth spawns outrage from public
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-octuplets7-2009feb07,0,2129396.story
Still unknown is what clinic implanted the bumper crop. (I'll bet they are praying that never comes out.)
And the outrage of other Kaiser premium payers at the expense to date?
Astronuc
Feb7-09, 10:26 AM
Apparently the sperm donor is a 'friend'.
I would expect him to pay for his children.
I can imagine that quite a few parents are upset by this woman who is expecting taxpayers to pay for her children.
"I feel as though I've been under the microscope because I chose this unconventional life," she said, suggesting there is a double standard because she's a single mother. Apparently she doesn't get. Some might be upset about her being a single mother, but the rest of us are a bit outraged, because she expects others to support her irresponsible lifestyle. She (and presumably her parents) can't alone support 14 children, and certainly not their medical bills.
Unconventional lifestyle!?!?! No - just irresponsible and selfish. :grumpy: :mad:
LowlyPion
Feb7-09, 10:44 AM
And it gets worse.Octuplets Mom Collected $168,000 in Disability Payments
... On Sept. 18, 1999, while on duty as a psychiatric technician at Metropolitan State Hospital in Norwalk, Calif., Suleman responded to an emergency alert called when 20 patients rioted.
"While she attempted to hold down a female patient, she was struck on her back by a desk that was thrown by another patient in the ward," according to a document submitted last year to a state claims examiner. "She experienced the onset of immediate pain in her low back."
Permanent Damage
Doctors advised her against taking a job that involved "prolonged sitting, standing and walking," according to the workers' comp documents.
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20257478,00.html
Consider already the circumstances in a hospital where 20 patients are rioting. And she was working there.
Once you get past the shock of a single parent living with her bankrupt parents in a 3 bedroom house with 6 children, one of which is autistic, taking fertility treatments to have 8 additional babies (plus the cost of delivery, intensive care and follow up medical treatment) and all of the other costs to raise 14 children...the real issue comes into focus.
No...not whether or not she is planning more...who is going to raise these children? Who is going to feed them, burp them, sing them to sleep, read to them, wash their clothes, bathe them, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc.
I know from experience (4 kids spread over 6 years) it's a lot of work and there's never enough time or attention to needs. Kids have unlimited needs.
Money doesn't solve all problems.
OmCheeto
Feb7-09, 11:17 AM
And it gets worse.
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20257478,00.html
Permanent Damage
Doctors advised her against taking a job that involved "prolonged sitting, standing and walking," according to the workers' comp documents.
Consider already the circumstances in a hospital where 20 patients are rioting. And she was working there.
Well, now that the facts of the story are finally being brought to light, it's starting to make more sense. If she can't sit, stand, or walk, her only option is to lay on her back for the rest of her life and pump out babies. How can anyone not see the logic?
And how cruel of those broadcasters to make her sit through those interviews. Didn't they realize that she was in pain? She should have been interviewed on her back.
And what of all those people who can't have babies? I think Nadya plays an important role by providing a scenario that provides hope and inspiration to those who are childless, living vicariously through her generous gift to the world.
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Makes you wonder if Terry Gilliam isn't the father.
LowlyPion
Feb7-09, 11:32 AM
What of her own parents?
Was she never told no?
Was she possibly never spanked?
What told her it was ok to sponge off society and burden the world with more of her brew ... and as chilling - imparting her way of thinking to this cult of her progeny that she has literally spewed from her loins in such excess?
JorgeLobo
Feb7-09, 11:42 AM
The doc giving her fertility treatment should pay child support for the kids.
She's a role model. Will she be having 8 more?
What of her own parents?
Was she never told no?
Was she possibly never spanked?
What told her it was ok to sponge off society and burden the world with more of her brew ... and as chilling - imparting her way of thinking to this cult of her progeny that she has literally spewed from her loins in such excess?
Well I guess in this case if they didn't they'll probably wish they had...17 people in their 3 bedroom ranch.
OmCheeto
Feb7-09, 03:32 PM
Well I guess in this case if they didn't they'll probably wish they had...17 people in their 3 bedroom ranch.
That's only 4 sets of bunk beds per room, assuming of course that the little whelper of a princess gets her own room. I'm sure grammy and grampy won't mind.
LowlyPion
Feb7-09, 04:13 PM
She's a role model. Will she be having 8 more?
No apparently she cleaned out the fridge of all those fertilized eggs she had laying around.
Loren Booda
Feb7-09, 08:30 PM
Has anyone in this thread mentioned how many impoverished children in this world could be brought up by the expenses (prenatal, birth, follow-up, child welfare, Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare...) this greedy woman has saddled the U.S. government with? I find it hard to forgive a "child abuser."
Has anyone in this thread mentioned how many impoverished children in this world could be brought up by the expenses (prenatal, birth, follow-up, child welfare, Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare...) this greedy woman has saddled the U.S. government with? I find it hard to forgive a "child abuser."
How many of these impoverished children have you brought up with your own funds?
No apparently she cleaned out the fridge of all those fertilized eggs she had laying around.
No problem. I bet she has thousands of eggs just ready to pop. I think you can get as many as 32 per egg by division.
mcknia07
Feb7-09, 10:30 PM
I'm sorry, but just looking and hearing about this craziness...all I can say is, "Hello welfare, here I come. Thanks all you American's!"
Ok, so working in the medical field, I have seen some things similar, but where on earth did she get the money for the fertility drug, or is that a new welfare treatment? I have never seen anything to such the extreme. Why on earth does she want anymore kids? I think 6 was plenty, if not more than good, lol.
Loren Booda
Feb7-09, 10:35 PM
How many of these impoverished children have you brought up with your own funds?
None. My chief concern is that several million dollars could have been saved for supporting a hundredfold other children throughout their own childhood (the octuplets and their siblings, unlike their mother, are not at fault to me). I pay taxes, have taught children from birth to adulthood, have avoided passing on genetic disorders, and support charities for children - more than most.
How many of these impoverished children have you brought up with your own funds?That makes no sense. Are you asking how many children he's fathered that are sucking up public money?
I blame tv shows like the Discovery Health channel that glamorizes irresponsible people like the Duggar's that rake in money by having too many children. Also, the money, media exposure and advertising thrown at women that have had multiple births as a result of fertilization treatments. The world is horribly over populated and population control is so important. I can't believe that baby factories like the Duggars have a tv show. What is wrong with this country that such blatant disregard for over population gets a tv show?
Proton Soup
Feb8-09, 12:14 AM
well, look on the bright side. at least social security will still be there when you retire.
That makes no sense. Are you asking how many children he's fathered that are sucking up public money?
No...
LowlyPion
Feb16-09, 09:40 PM
Yikes.
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tmz.com/media/2009/02/0212_octomom_pregnant_pictures_ex5.jpg
Math Is Hard
Feb16-09, 10:10 PM
Yikes.
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tmz.com/media/2009/02/0212_octomom_pregnant_pictures_ex5.jpg
I saw that yesterday and gagged. People just weren't designed to carry litters.
I saw that yesterday and gagged. People just weren't designed to carry litters.
Exactly...we have two breasts. Two! Not eight :eek: !
Proton Soup
Feb16-09, 10:35 PM
someone should suit up and lance that thing
OmCheeto
Feb16-09, 10:59 PM
Exactly...we have two breasts. Two! Not eight :eek: !
Those kids over at halfbakery.com
If you can imagine it, they've talked about it.
Polymastia Pornography (http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Polymastia_20Pornography)
tit for tit for tit for tat
A new genre of adult film/plastic surgery wherein starlets flaunt numerous pairs of bosoms, for novelty and notoriety.
If four is better than two, then eight is great! But is eight enough?
— nihilo, Jul 12 2006
There's the solution. Plastic surgery. Just add 6 more boobs.
What a lovely photo that would make. :!!)
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/82/275200442_0fd71ec3c3.jpg?v=0
LowlyPion
Feb16-09, 11:58 PM
There's the solution. Plastic surgery. Just add 6 more boobs.
Supernumerary nipples are apparently already programmed into the genome.
Just a little fiddling with some genes ... and no plastic surgeons required.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernumerary_nipples
LowlyPion
Feb17-09, 12:08 AM
That could give new meaning to
"Hey that's quite a six pack you have there."
Proton Soup
Feb17-09, 12:23 AM
you guys know about Rule 34, right?
Supernumerary nipples are apparently already programmed into the genome.
Just a little fiddling with some genes ... and no plastic surgeons required.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernumerary_nipples
i remember, back around jr high, seeing a pic of a woman in a magazine with 3 breasts. this was way before schwartzeneggar's movie. i don't know if it was real, i was still naive to prosthetics and airbrushing.
LowlyPion
Feb21-09, 10:52 PM
Man Gave Sperm 3 Times, Believes He May Be Octuplets' Dad
'GMA' to Reveal Identity of Man Who Could Be Octuplets' Father
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/WomensHealth/Story?id=6928821&page=1
So they must be his? OK. Get out the checkbook bub.
(The story relates other titillating facts.)
2 according to ...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7884138.stm
(I haven't gone through all the thread so not sure if the link is already posted).
Re: 8 + 6 ... How many is too many?
SavingsPerYearWithoutAnyChildren/12K$
Have you noticed she's never photographed taking care of the original 6 children...not even the disabled or autistic one.
LowlyPion
Feb22-09, 12:19 PM
Have you noticed she's never photographed taking care of the original 6 children...not even the disabled or autistic one.
Apparently that's what the grandparents are for?
Her parents and food stamps and public charity of course.
Math Is Hard
Feb26-09, 05:40 PM
First it made me laugh.
http://www.alternapop.com/images/wordpress_post/2009/octo_mom.jpg
...then it made me cry, when I picked up on the state (as in my tax dollars) replacing the Daddy.
Here's another twist...Octo-Porn?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,500688,00.html
OmCheeto
Feb26-09, 08:45 PM
First it made me laugh.
http://www.alternapop.com/images/wordpress_post/2009/octo_mom.jpg
...then it made me cry, when I picked up on the state (as in my tax dollars) replacing the Daddy.
I'll send you $10 if you can get me one of those window stickers.
I'll add northern state commentary and snicker snicker finger pointing graffiti myself.
Actually. My niece could probably come up with something much funnier than I.
She's studying graphic arts down at UCSF right now.
TheStatutoryApe
Feb26-09, 11:40 PM
Here's another twist...Octo-Porn?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,500688,00.html
on the way to work tonight I heard an interview with a woman from a competing company who says they are offering her one year of free clothe diapers if she agrees not to do porn. lol
apparently they haven't heard back from her but then they didn't say when they mailed her their offer either.
LowlyPion
Mar8-09, 02:28 PM
Octo Mom's New Publicist Quits: "This Woman Is Nuts"
Saturday March 7, 2009
Octo Mom Nadya Suleman is without a publicist -- again.
Victor Munoz tells Usmagazine.com that he quit as Suleman's rep Friday night.
"It just got to be too much," he says. "It's pretty much a free for all over there right now. They are freaking out right now.
"Not to sound arrogant, but those people depended on me for everything," he continues. "You have no idea what I’ve had to do for these people.
"Nadya got real greedy. This woman is nuts," he adds. "This I can say: what ultimately destroyed the business arrangement was personal reasons."
http://www.usmagazine.com/news/octo-mom-second-publicist-quits-200973
If any of these babies die, OctoMom and her doctor should be charged...they conspired to create a situation placing young lives at risk for financial gain. The doctor earned ($165,000 in fees?) and her motive is clearly financial.
LowlyPion
Mar8-09, 11:32 PM
If any of these babies die, OctoMom and her doctor should be charged...they conspired to create a situation placing young lives at risk for financial gain. The doctor earned ($165,000 in fees?) and her motive is clearly financial.
That's a little extreme.
Certainly there are medical ethics issues involved, but criminalizing stupidity could mean maybe arresting a good part (actually the not so good part) of Congress and certainly a large percentage of the CPAC attendees.
Let's see...putting human life at risk to make a buck vs clapping for Rush?
I don't see the equality.
Redbelly98
Mar10-09, 07:01 PM
http://www.usmagazine.com/news/octo-mom-second-publicist-quits-200973
"This woman is nuts"
This is just the law of averages at work. There are a lot of people in the world, and a number of them are bound to lack common sense or good judgement. That's why I blame the fertility clinic staff for this whole mess. They are supposed to use their knowledge and expertise to advise people like this woman, and if warranted refuse to give fertility treatments.
Same goes for banks that lend money to people who can't afford a mortgage, and Michael Jackson's plastic surgeon as well.
LowlyPion
Mar11-09, 12:45 PM
A new house for the Suleman Swarm
Dad's buying.
http://www.tmz.com/2009/03/09/octomom-new-house/
4 bedrooms 3 baths 14 kids.
The neighbors must be thrilled that at least some real estate is moving in CA.
EDIT: Apparently Dad isn't buying:Octuplets mom says she's paying for new house
4 hours ago
LOS ANGELES (AP) — The Southern California mother of octuplets said in a video posted online Wednesday that she — not her parents — is paying for the four-bedroom, three-bath home where she plans to raise her brood.
In the video posted on RadarOnline.com, Nadya Suleman disputed earlier remarks by the house's listing agent, who said her father was buying the home.
Suleman said she made the initial payment on the house, which she was leasing with an option to buy. Her parents, she said, "had nothing to do with it."
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ilIx-PXnXPpwF1a_nlRYF00fzBIQD96RRS300
LowlyPion
Mar11-09, 12:50 PM
Oh and just in case you ever wanted a collectible like this:
Nadya Suleman's birth tape up for sale?
http://www.nj.com/entertainment/celebrities/index.ssf/2009/03/nadya_sulemans_birth_tape_up_f.html
TheStatutoryApe
Mar12-09, 12:19 AM
Oh and just in case you ever wanted a collectible like this:
http://www.nj.com/entertainment/celebrities/index.ssf/2009/03/nadya_sulemans_birth_tape_up_f.html
when I heard this I wondered if maybe it was a snarky response to the porn offers.
LowlyPion
Mar12-09, 08:19 AM
when I heard this I wondered if maybe it was a snarky response to the porn offers.
As a point of curiosity I have wondered if anyone ever watches again the birth of any of their children, if their birth was indeed ever recorded in the first place, by an overzealous husband with too much anxiety to deal with in the moment and hiding behind a camera?
I can't imagine the relevance of ever seeing it again, for the husband or the wife or even the child involved.
Now this nut job thinks that people would pay to see her open her bomb-bay doors and carpet bomb Southern California with her brood? Just saying ... I think there's some real narcissism at work there.
TheStatutoryApe
Mar12-09, 11:36 PM
As a point of curiosity I have wondered if anyone ever watches again the birth of any of their children, if their birth was indeed ever recorded in the first place, by an overzealous husband with too much anxiety to deal with in the moment and hiding behind a camera?
I can't imagine the relevance of ever seeing it again, for the husband or the wife or even the child involved.
Now this nut job thinks that people would pay to see her open her bomb-bay doors and carpet bomb Southern California with her brood? Just saying ... I think there's some real narcissism at work there.
several of my female online friends have been having children lately and its virtually the only thing they discuss in their blogs. so much so that I stopped reading them because I was so sick of hearing about pregnancy. in real life my friends who get pregnant don't come out as much of course but even the little that I saw them was much the same as those blogs. I think its just common for couples to become obsessed with their pregnancies to the point of even wanting it video taped.
trying to sell those tapes though is definitely pretty rediculous.
physics girl phd
Mar13-09, 08:51 AM
several of my female online friends have been having children lately and its virtually the only thing they discuss in their blogs. so much so that I stopped reading them because I was so sick of hearing about pregnancy. in real life my friends who get pregnant don't come out as much of course but even the little that I saw them was much the same as those blogs. I think its just common for couples to become obsessed with their pregnancies to the point of even wanting it video taped.
trying to sell those tapes though is definitely pretty rediculous.
Eeww. For the record, I am NOT going to have my baby's birth taped. First, who ever watches their wedding videos again? (BTW, we didn't have one done... we did a nice old fashioned elope-at-the-courthouse wedding.) Second, I just can't picture my husband being able to do that. He'd be a stand-at-the-head-of-the-bed guy, holding my hand IF I'm lucky. BUT third... he's going to be lucky if I allow him in the room in the first place. If anything looks a bit off (even me being in a bit of pain), he's prone to going ballistic at the doctors and getting himself hauled out and threatened with jail-time.
As a chemical physicist, I feel configurations of 2 kids, 8 kids or 18 kids are optimal.
As a chemical physicist, I feel configurations of 2 kids, 8 kids or 18 kids are optimal.
That post makes me feel like an empty shell.
LowlyPion
Mar13-09, 09:13 AM
As a chemical physicist, I feel configurations of 2 kids, 8 kids or 18 kids are optimal.
The S orbitals are enough for most.
LowlyPion
Mar13-09, 09:24 AM
Eeww. For the record, I am NOT going to have my baby's birth taped. First, who ever watches their wedding videos again? (BTW, we didn't have one done... we did a nice old fashioned elope-at-the-courthouse wedding.) Second, I just can't picture my husband being able to do that. He'd be a stand-at-the-head-of-the-bed guy, holding my hand IF I'm lucky. BUT third... he's going to be lucky if I allow him in the room in the first place. If anything looks a bit off (even me being in a bit of pain), he's prone to going ballistic at the doctors and getting himself hauled out and threatened with jail-time.
I think they are all deeply personal events and call for focus in the moment. Recording them with the distance or detachment of a cinematographer is not what is called for. Nor is it how they will ever be remembered.
Why distort the experience with the demands of clinical detachment?
LowlyPion
May30-09, 09:52 AM
OK. When your 15 minutes is up, isn't it time to leave the stage?
Now this?
Octo Mom Signs Reality TV Deal
http://www.usmagazine.com/news/octomom-signs-reality-tv-deal-2009295
The only reality show of this family I want to see is a Survivor show in a reptile infested swamp. (I think the reptiles would lose.)
TheStatutoryApe
May30-09, 10:14 AM
OK. When your 15 minutes is up, isn't it time to leave the stage?
Now this?
http://www.usmagazine.com/news/octomom-signs-reality-tv-deal-2009295
The only reality show of this family I want to see is a Survivor show in a reptile infested swamp. (I think the reptiles would lose.)
She's been trying for this since the begining. I think that public opinion of her was too negative at the time for her to get any sort of contract.
Astronuc
May30-09, 12:40 PM
:yuck: OK. When your 15 minutes is up, isn't it time to leave the stage?
Now this?
http://www.usmagazine.com/news/octomom-signs-reality-tv-deal-2009295
The only reality show of this family I want to see is a Survivor show in a reptile infested swamp. (I think the reptiles would lose.) :yuck: :yuck: :yuck: :yuck: :yuck: :yuck: :yuck: :yuck: :yuck: :yuck: :yuck: :yuck: :yuck: :yuck: :yuck: :yuck: :yuck: :yuck: :yuck: :yuck: :yuck: :yuck: :yuck: :yuck: :yuck:
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