Does a Capacitor Create an Electric Field Between its Wire and Ground?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around whether a capacitor creates an electric field between its wire and ground when connected to a battery. Participants explore the implications of this setup, considering both theoretical and practical aspects of capacitance and electric fields.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if there is a potential and electric field between the wire connected to a capacitor and the ground, given a specific setup with a battery.
  • Another participant asserts that there is indeed an electric field, conceptualizing the scenario as two capacitors in series: the parallel plate capacitor and the wire above the ground.
  • A different participant notes that every piece of wire has capacitance, inductance, and resistance, which can be significant at high frequencies, impacting circuit performance.
  • Further exploration is made regarding the charge distribution on the wires, particularly questioning how electrons arrange themselves on the wire not connected to anything and how this relates to the ground.
  • One participant describes the effect of the battery on the wire, suggesting that a positive charge on the battery wire attracts electrons from the ground, establishing a weak electric field.
  • Another participant concludes that the capacitance between the wires is likely very small, implying that an electron placed between the ground and the exposed wire would not experience a significant force.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the nature and strength of the electric field between the wire and ground, with some agreeing on the existence of an electric field while others question its significance and the implications of capacitance in this context. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of charge distribution and the resultant electric field strength.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the capacitance of the wires is small due to limited area and large distance, but the implications of this on the electric field and charge distribution are not fully resolved.

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Hi guys,

This has bugged me for a while, if we have a battery (+ve) connected to one side of capacitor, and negative connected to ground. We are left with a wire coming from the other side of the capacitor. Is there a potential, and hence an electric field, between the wire and ground?

Assuming the wire is a about 1 meter long (not in the immediate vicinity of the capacitor).


Thanks!
 
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Yes there is. Conceptually you have two capacitors in series, the parallel plate one and the one formed by the wire hanging above the ground.
 
Any piece of wire has capacitance,inductance as well as resistance. Often all three are largely ignored in elementary physics and electrical circuits because they are so small...

But at very high frequencies or when information transmission rate is important such factors may become become critical. That's one reason why for several decades making circuits and components smaller has enabled us to make them faster...less delay considering the speed of electrical transmission, for example.
 
marcusl said:
Yes there is. Conceptually you have two capacitors in series, the parallel plate one and the one formed by the wire hanging above the ground.

Thats what I thought, but I'm not clear as to the charge distribution on the wires.

The electric field (induced by the potential of the battery), exists in the dielectric between the capacitor (plate capacitor). The electrons arrange themselves on either plate to set up this field. Where do the electron in the wire arrange themselves? In particular, on the wire on the side of the capacitor not connected to anything. Also, the electrons at ground, how do they arrange themselves?

If we had a 10V battery, and placed a test charge (1 electron) at ground (not touching) in between the free wire and ground, what kind of field would it feel?

For arguments sake let's say the plate capacitor is 0.5microFarads.

Thanks
 
Where do the electron in the wire arrange themselves?

On the positive battery wire there is a dearth of electons, a positive charge; this attracts electons, weakly, on another wire or ground side...a few electrons gather...a weak field is established...

In general ,a capacitance is directly proportional to plate (or wire) area area and inversely proportional to distance between plates (wires). The capacitance of the wires is small because there is a small area for electrons to gather and because the distance between is large.
 
Good, so the capacitance between the wires in this case would be very small right? And the E-fied would exist between the plate capacitor (mainly). So an electron in between ground and the exposed wire does not really feel much force.

Does this sound reasonable?
 

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