Simple check for operaters communting, think im missing something very obvious!

[hoch449]

1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

I am supposed to find if the following commutes: [Lx,Ly]



2. Relevant equations


Lx= -i\hbar[y(\partial/\partialz) - z(\partial/\partialy)]

Ly= -i\hbar[z(\partial/\partialx) - x(\partial/\partialz)]

where [Lx,Ly]=LxLy-LyLx

If it commutes then [Lx,Ly]=0

3. The attempt at a solution

[Lx,Ly]= (i\hbar)2{[y(\partial/\partialz) - z(\partial/\partialy)[z(\partial/\partialx) - x(\partial/\partialz)]}


After expanding this I got a result of 0. So my solution concluded that they commute.

The answer however is [Lx,Ly]= i\hbarLx

I clearly expanded it wrong. I was hoping if anyone could explain how they expanded the LxLy-LyLx part. In my calculations I cannot seem to figure out how the answer contains a few more parts in the expansion which results in a non-commutation..

Thanks!

[George Jones]

The answer however is [Lx,Ly]= i\hbarLx

I think you mean [Lx,Ly]= i\hbarLz.

Hint: Consider \left( L_x L_y - L_y L_x \right)f, where f is an arbitrary function of the spatial coordinates. Take things one step at a time, don't forget about the product rule for differentiation, and remove f at the end.

[xepma]

Keep in mind that you're working with operators, so it's not just a matter of simple expansion. To calculate such a commutator, let the whole thing act on a function.

[L_x,L_y]f(x,y,z)

Since you have all sort of derivatives you will find that the product comes into a play a number of times. For instance, one term gives:
y\frac{\partial}{\partial z} \left( z\frac{\partial}{\partial x}\right) f(x,y,z) =
y \frac{\partial}{\partial x} f(x,y,z) + yz \frac{\partial^2}{\partial x\partialz}f(x,y,z)

One of these terms will be canceled by some other term, while the other one survives.

EDIT: OK, George beat me to it ;)

[Cyosis]

Another way to do it is to use the two following commutator identities:


\begin{align*}
&[A+B,C]=[A,C]+[B,C]
\\
&[A,BC]=[A,B]C+B[A,C]
\end{align*}

[hoch449]

Perfect it all makes sense now! You guys are great thanks!