How Much Work Is Needed to Move a Sodium Ion Across a Cell Membrane?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the work required to move a sodium ion across a cell membrane, considering the electric potential difference and the thickness of the membrane.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between voltage and work, questioning the signs associated with voltage and work. There is a discussion about the charge of the sodium ion and its implications for the work calculation.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about the nature of voltage and the charge of the sodium ion. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between electric potential and work, but no consensus has been reached on the final calculation.

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There is mention of the thickness of the membrane being irrelevant to the work calculation, which some participants initially misunderstood. The discussion also touches on the importance of using proper units for work.

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Living cells actively pump sodium ions inside the cell to outside the cell. Given that the electric potential is 0.070V higher outside the cell than inside the cell and that the cell membran is 0.09E-6 meters thick, how much work must be done to move one sodium ion from inside the cell to outside the cell.


So far I am lost, does voltage have to negative, but then negative work has to be done
 
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Signs are a matter of luck :wink:

Apart from that this seems not too difficult. Note that the thickness of the wall makes no difference.
 
Are you positive?

supermenscher said:
So far I am lost, does voltage have to negative, but then negative work has to be done
It requires positive work to move a positive charge from a low to a high potential. (Just like it requires positive work against gravity to lift an object.)

So what's the charge on the sodium ion?
 
positive 0.070?
 
supermenscher said:
positive 0.070?
A sodium ion is formed by removing an electron. So the charge of the ion is +e = 1.6 E-19 Coulombs.
 
so is the answer 0.070 * 1.6*10^-19 ?
 
supermenscher said:
so is the answer 0.070 * 1.6*10^-19 ?
Yes. Don't forget to use the proper units: work is measured in Joules.
 
thank you so much :)
 
kuengb said:
Note that the thickness of the wall makes no difference.
I didn't catch that at first ( :redface: ). I wonder if it was on purpose.
 

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