The math of physics - Calculus of Variation?

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical framework of functional calculus of variation in the context of physics, particularly in relation to string theory, path integrals, and the principles of Lagrangian mechanics. Participants explore the implications of these concepts across different dimensions and their foundational role in theoretical physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that principles like path integrals and the action of Lagrangians are universally applicable across different dimensions in string theory and M-theory, but notes that functional calculus is not well understood.
  • Another participant questions whether the lack of understanding pertains to individual physicists or the field of functional analysis as a whole.
  • A participant raises a question about the inverse operation of the Feynman path integral and seeks references for understanding how variations of functions relate to this integral.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the purpose of the Feynman path integral, questioning whether it integrates over a volume of paths and what this implies about the nature of the paths and their characteristics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the understanding of functional analysis and its implications in physics. There is no consensus on the clarity of the concepts related to the Feynman path integral and its interpretation.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions and relationships between functional integration and differentiation, as well as the interpretation of path integrals in quantum mechanics.

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We escape the problems of particle physics by exploring the higher dimensions of String theory. When we have questions about String theory, we jump to the higher dimensions of M-theory to answer them. And some have purposed to use the higher dimensions of F-theory to answer questions about M-theory.

Yet, we do have principles that apply no matter what dimensionality we go to. Path integrals, the action of the Lagrangians, Noether's theorem, various kinds of symmetry, the geodesics of General Relativity. All these principles are applicable at every level of dimensionality we explore, and they are all expressible in terms of the functional calculus of variation. Least action is where the functional derivative is zero. The path integral is a functional integral integrated over the variation of a function.

But functional calculus is not well understood yet. Integrating over function spaces that include the function and how it may vary is not well defined. It has yet to be developed whether even functional differentiation is the inverse of functional integration. I think more study needs to be given this subject.

I am attempting to develop physics from logic. Your insights are
appreciated.

More at:
http://www.sirus.com/users/mjake/StringTh.html
 
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Do you mean YOU don't understand functional analysis? I believe it's a fairly well developed field.

Or perhaps you mean physicists don't understand functional analysis. That might well be true.
 
The Feynman path integral used in quantum mechanics is an integral over the function space of admissible functions. What is the inverse operation of this path integral? Is it the variation with respect to how a function may vary? References please.
 
I'm not real clear on what Feynman is accomplishing with a path integral. He integrates over every possible path. Is this the same as integrating over a volume through which the paths may travel? Each path is weighted by the exponent of the action integral. Is this an average characteristic of all paths? Or maybe this is another way of finding some topological invariant of the space of the paths. Any clues?
 

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