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atarr3
Nov2-09, 04:44 PM
1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
Consider an electron in the hydrogen atom with radial wave function R_{31} (n=3, l=1). Please verify that this radial function verifies the radial equation.



2. Relevant equations
The radial equation

\frac{1}{r^{2}}\frac{d}{dr}\left(r^{2}\frac{dR}{dr }\right) + \frac{2\mu}{h^{2}}\left[E-V-\frac{h^{2}}{2\mu}\frac{l\left(l+1\right)}{r^{2}}\ right]R = 0


3. The attempt at a solution

Ok so I found the corresponding solution for the given radial wave funtion, and I think I'm supposed to set that equal to A, some constant, times e^{\frac{-r}{3a_{0}}}
and then plug that into the original radial wave function? I'm not really sure of what I'm supposed to do here.

atarr3
Nov2-09, 04:46 PM
Oh and those h's are supposed to be h bars. I don't know how to do that in latex.

gabbagabbahey
Nov2-09, 05:03 PM
Just use the equation for R_{31} that is in your text/notes, and substitute it into the Differential equation...

P.S. To write \hbar in \LaTeX, just use \hbar

atarr3
Nov2-09, 06:06 PM
You mean like an equation like this?

\frac{1}{a_{0}^{3/2}}\frac{4}{81\sqrt{6}}\left(6-\frac{r}{a_{0}}\right)\frac{r}{a_{0}}e^{-r/3a_{0}}

I tried using that and plugging it into the radial equation, but it gets really messy and I'm not sure if I know how to simplify it. I also don't know what to do with the V and E quantities.

atarr3
Nov2-09, 06:17 PM
And I assumed that the stuff not depending on R was equal to some constant A to help make it easier... would that screw my answer up?

gabbagabbahey
Nov2-09, 06:26 PM
You mean like an equation like this?

\frac{1}{a_{0}^{3/2}}\frac{4}{81\sqrt{6}}\left(6-\frac{r}{a_{0}}\right)\frac{r}{a_{0}}e^{-r/3a_{0}}

Yup.

I tried using that and plugging it into the radial equation, but it gets really messy and I'm not sure if I know how to simplify it. I also don't know what to do with the V and E quantities.

V is just the Coulomb potential, and if the electron is in the n=3 state, shouldn't E be E_3 (which you should have an equation for)?

atarr3
Nov2-09, 06:36 PM
Ok so V =\frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_{0}}\frac{-e^{2}}{r} and E is just \frac{-E_{0}}{n^{2}}? And that will all cancel out if I plug everything in?

gabbagabbahey
Nov2-09, 06:39 PM
Yup.

atarr3
Nov2-09, 06:44 PM
Wow. Ok. Thank you so much! You've saved me a great deal of work.

Jasso
Nov2-09, 06:51 PM
Also, try finding \frac {2\mu V}{\hbar ^2} and \frac {2\mu E_n}{\hbar^2} in terms of a_0 and r. It might make it easier.

atarr3
Nov2-09, 08:10 PM
Just to verify that this is correct, I'm getting \frac{2\mu V}{\hbar^{2}}=\frac{-2}{a_{0}r} and \frac{2\mu E}{\hbar^{2}}=\frac{-1}{9a_{0}^{2}} I'm getting almost everything to cancel out, but not quite everything. There might be an error in my derivatives.

atarr3
Nov2-09, 08:34 PM
Ok I just got the answer. Thank you all so much for your help!