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Given: limit of (sin x)/x as x --> 0 and that ε = .01
Problem: Find the greatest c such that δ between zero and c is good. Give an approximation to three decimal places.
Equations:
0 < |x - a| < δ
0 < |f(x) - L| < ε
Attempt:
0 < |x - 0| < δ
0 < | sin(x)/x - 1| < ε
0 < | sin(x)/x - 1| < .01
0 < | sin(x)/x| < 1.01
0 < |sin(x)| < 1.01|x|
0 < |sin(x)| < 1.01δ
0 < |sin(x)|/1.01 < δ
Since sin(x) is going to range between -1 and 1, the greatest value for δ is 1/1.01. But, this answer isn't correct. The correct answer is .245, and I don't know how to get that.
jbunniii
Nov3-09, 11:31 AM
Given: limit of (sin x)/x as x --> 0 and that ε = .01
Problem: Find the greatest c such that δ between zero and c is good. Give an approximation to three decimal places.
What do you mean by "δ between zero and c is good"?
My guess is that you mean:
"Find the greatest c such that
\left|\frac{\sin x}{x} - 1 \right| < \epsilon
whenever
0 < |x - 0| < \delta \leq c."
Is that right?
[It seems clearer to dispense with c and simply ask "how big can \delta be?"]
Your problem is the following step:
Equations:
0 < | sin(x)/x - 1| < .01
0 < | sin(x)/x| < 1.01
While the upper bound in the second line is true, it doesn't buy you anything. In fact, it's true no matter what \epsilon is, because |\sin(x)/x| never exceeds 1.
Also, the lower bounds are wrong: both |\sin(x)/x - 1| and |\sin(x)/x| do equal 0 for some values of x. We don't want/need to disallow that possibility.
Try writing
\left|\frac{\sin x}{x} - 1\right| < 0.01
in the following equivalent way
-0.01 < \frac{\sin x}{x} - 1 < 0.01
and thus
0.99 < \frac{\sin x}{x} < 1.01
The right-hand inequality is true for all x, so we only need to consider the left inequality:
0.99 < \frac{\sin x}{x}
Now you need to find what range of x satisfies this inequality. I assume you are permitted to do so numerically (using a computer or calculator)?
Yes, that works. Thank you.
jbunniii
Nov3-09, 12:11 PM
Oops, for the record, I just noticed that I lied when I said that |\sin(x)/x - 1| can equal 0. It can't. But my point that you don't need the 0 < |\sin(x)/x - 1| part of the inequality is still correct.
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